No they don't. I get called for them often with < 12 hours to report and if I turn down the profer then they are usually assigned to an in base SC pilot. OBWS goes ahead of a SC reserve pilot all day and twice on Sunday.

"""Wrong"""

Correct, see line 4.

Open Time Award/Assignment Sequence for Rotations Reporting Less Than 12 Hours After 12 Initial Attempt to Contact Pilot (Short Notice Ladder) 13 14 1.
Pilots who have submitted recovery slips under Section 23 J. (by proffer, in category, in 15 seniority order) or who are subject to recovery flying under Section 23 K. 1. 16 Note: A pilot whose original rotation was not a MED rotation will not be assigned 17 recovery flying to a MED less than 24 hours prior to report time of the MED rotation 18 without his consent. 19
2. Regular pilots who have submitted white slips (by proffer, in category, in seniority order) 20 Exception: A local council officer who drops a rotation to conduct a monthly council 21 meeting will be given first priority to white slip open time during that bid period in order 22 to recover such dropped rotations. (see Section 24 J. 8.) 23
3. Long call reserve pilots who have submitted yellow slips (provided FAR reserve rest 24 requirements have been met, in category, within RUO) 25
4. Out-of-base regular pilots who have submitted white slips (by proffer, in seniority order) 26
5. Short call reserve pilots (in category, within RUO) 27
6. Out-of-base long call reserve pilots who have submitted yellow slips (provided FAR 28 reserve rest requirements have been met, by base, within RUO) 29
7. Out-of-base short call reserve pilots (by base, within RUO) 30
8. Short call reserve pilots for whom the assignment would extend into their regular line 31 day(s)-off (in category, within least intrusion groupings, by RAW value) 32
9. Out-of base short call reserve pilots for whom the assignment would extend into their 33 regular line day(s)-off (in category, within least disruption groupings, by RAW value) 34
10. Short call reserve pilots for whom the assignment would create a conflict with their 35 regular line rotation(s) (in category, within least disruption groupings, by RAW value) 36
11. Out-of base short call reserve pilots for whom the assignment would create a conflict 37 with their regular line rotation(s) (in category, within least disruption groupings, by RAW 38 value) 39
12. Pilots (including long call reserve pilots whose rotation would report within 12 hours of 40 initial attempt to contact)who have submitted GSs (in category, in seniority order) 41
13. Instructors who have submitted GSs under Section 11 C. 1. c. 2) (in seniority order) 42 Note: Instructors who can hold First Officer, but cannot hold Captain, on the aircraft 43 model on which they instruct, will be afforded priority over instructors who can hold 44 Captain on such aircraft model, for the purpose of GS awards for flying as F

Maybe but in this case the issues at hand are specifically reserve pilot issues. I'm not saying regular contract negotiations should be centered around reserve pilots QOL above all else, but this issue absolutely should because its reserve issues that are the vast majority of all of this. The company needs concessions otherwise reserve as they know it will basically cease to exist. What needs to come out the other end of this process are reserve QOL improvements to balance out whatever we end up agreeing to, not mining the issue to divert candy to other empires.

Wholeheartedly agree Gloopy.

I disagree with that as a simple characterization.

Reserve pilots are the group that is bringing the company to the negotiating table, but 117 is a gigantic QOL hit for lineholders too.

(I know tiniest fiddle playing for me) In my category, almost every trip was worth 8+ hours per 24hrs away from base. It is now about 6. That's a pretty significant QOL hit. I am sure in other categories they are affected in a similar way.

What any of this has to do with a pilot who couldn't do a stall recovery is beyond me.

My experience so far with FAR 117:

Rerouted into a "Golden Day" tommorrow to give me 8 straight days of work.

First time I had a day scheduled for over 8 hours, had to have a turn removed to stay legal after overfly on first leg. Was still 12+ duty day just turned in to a 6 hour sit.

But boy do I feel rested...

I watched the 117 video on Deltanet last night and it seems that the 777 fleet is going to be a test group for Delta for different rules. Do you know anything about that, Scambo?

I know we are singled out for different rules.

30 hours rest before shortcall? You cant back to back them now.

You get to theatre, but then need 2 days rest before flying intra-theatre. However, you can fly over and back with a 24 hour rest period. Who comes up with this crap?

We have the best rest facility at the airline. I get home from a trip and I'm ready to tile a bathroom. These new rules make it seem like we have guys falling asleep in the airport.

The scheduler told me that they are awarded before SC reserve pilots if the trip is leaving within 12 hours. I looked it up and it jived. It worked out ok, because a few days later I got a great GRU trip that I wouldn't have gotten if I got the original trip I wanted.


Better to be lucky than good. ;)


PS: I now see that everyone seems to have figured it out. :)