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Purple Drank 01-08-2014 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by A6danimal (Post 1553876)
Does anyone know what's going on with scheds that they are not putting anyone on shortcall? MSP88B has a bunch of pilots on LC but nobody has been given shortcall for a couple of days, all short-notice trips are going to GS's. Which is GREAT, don't get me wrong, but can I count on it continuing? Did they realize SC is in conflict with 117 or something?

I wonder if the company is artificially inflating the green slip response time sample size in an effort to compile data for upcoming grievances and/or readdressing 117 rules with the FAA.

"Guys aren't acknowledging normal assignments in a timely manner....but they have no problem acknowledging short notice green slips and flying the same trip with different rest rules."

DeadHead 01-08-2014 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1554872)
I don't know why that image wouldn't post. It was funny!

Yeah I gave up on it....

Glad you enjoyed it though.

You end up getting any slack from the scheduler?
Or did they just show you acknowledged inside of flight ops instituted illegal 10 rest period?

80ktsClamp 01-08-2014 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1554895)
Yeah I gave up on it....

Glad you enjoyed it though.

You end up getting any slack from the scheduler?
Or did they just show you acknowledged inside of flight ops instituted illegal 10 rest period?

Its not until 1000 tomorrow, and I acknowledged online... so no rest issue nor did I even speak to anyone. I was curious if they might get snippity and call since I waited over 2 hours just to test them, but nada.

Flamer 01-08-2014 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1554904)
Its not until 1000 tomorrow, and I acknowledged online... so no rest issue nor did I even speak to anyone. I was curious if they might get snippity and call since I waited over 2 hours just to test them, but nada.

They know the contract. They are hoping you do not.

johnso29 01-08-2014 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1554877)
I wonder if the company is artificially inflating the green slip response time sample size in an effort to compile data for upcoming grievances and/or readdressing 117 rules with the FAA.

"Guys aren't acknowledging normal assignments in a timely manner....but they have no problem acknowledging short notice green slips and flying the same trip with different rest rules."

But that wouldn't be a valid argument, right? Per the new regs a reserve guys rest assignment doesn't start until he acknowledges, & he must have 10 hours rest. That's not a choice.

Someone on their X day or day off is not on duty, & therefore must not have a required amount of rest before the FDP begins. So if the trip starts on a guys X day, they have no argument. And if it's starts on his reserve day, he can't accept it anyway. So they have no argument.

I'm thinking out loud here, so feel free to chime in.

RockyBoy 01-08-2014 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1554949)
But that wouldn't be a valid argument, right? Per the new regs a reserve guys rest assignment doesn't start until he acknowledges, & he must have 10 hours rest. That's not a choice.

Someone on their X day or day off is not on duty, & therefore must not have a required amount of rest before the FDP begins. So if the trip starts on a guys X day, they have no argument. And if it's starts on his reserve day, he can't accept it anyway. So they have no argument.

I'm thinking out loud here, so feel free to chime in.

If you read 23. S. 1. d and 23. S. 6. b I don't see how we are even required to accept anything on our first day after an x-day. I've got a noon SC tomorrow on my first day and the way I read stuff I have to check my schedule no later than 0200 so as to be able to ack the SC no later than 1 hour prior to when it starts. I read this to say we can't be legal for any SC period on our first day back unless we voluntarily accept it.

1234 01-08-2014 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1554952)
If you read 23. S. 1. d and 23. S. 6. b I don't see how we are even required to accept anything on our first day after an x-day. I've got a noon SC tomorrow on my first day and the way I read stuff I have to check my schedule no later than 0200 so as to be able to ack the SC no later than 1 hour prior to when it starts. I read this to say we can't be legal for any SC period on our first day back unless we voluntarily accept it.

I think you need to read the memo put out by the company regarding their interpretation and how to comply and that the current PWA rules for checking schedules and acknowledging assignments do not agree with current company policy.

Just my understanding.

Dash8widget 01-08-2014 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1555026)
I think you need to read the memo put out by the company regarding their interpretation and how to comply and that the current PWA rules for checking schedules and acknowledging assignments do not agree with current company policy.

Just my understanding.

Ah...what? :eek: The PWA rules do not comply with current company policy? Who cares? The PWA is a legally binding contract between two parties - company policy is not. Or, maybe, your comment was meant to be TIC or something - sorry if I missed it.

GunshipGuy 01-08-2014 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1554668)
That's what I thought. We are probably a lot alike and would be friends if we were neighbors. That's why we shouldn't take personal assessment shots at each other on an anonymous web board. :cool:

Good assessment.

GunshipGuy 01-08-2014 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1555026)
I think you need to read the memo put out by the company regarding their interpretation and how to comply and that the current PWA rules for checking schedules and acknowledging assignments do not agree with current company policy.

Just my understanding.

I love your dry wit.:D


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