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flyallnite 03-12-2014 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1600739)
Not scambo1's 50 787's in 2015 but still good news:

Eyes Major Widebody RFP For 747/767 Replacements
Aviation Daily
Mar 12, 2014 , p. 1.01
Jens Flottau


Delta Air Lines plans to issue a request for proposals (RFP) for new
longhaul aircraft that will replace all of the airline’s Boeing 747-400s
and a significant part of the 767-300ER fleets.

The RFP will go out before the end of the month and Delta could decide
before the end of the year. Amongst other types, the airline is showing
a strong interest in the proposed Airbus A330NEO.

“I hope they (Airbus) do offer an A330NEO,” Delta CEO Richard Anderson
told Aviation Week in Atlanta. “There is a huge need for a small
widebody. We really need Airbus to step up and re-engine.”

Anderson is pushing for a new 275-seat aircraft that would have a range
of 5,000-5,500 naut. mi. He argues that “aircraft that underfly their
range are uneconomical. You cannot make a 777 consistently profitable
flying only East Coast to Europe. That would be routes 1,000 or 2,000
naut. mi. shorter than what it was designed for.”

Delta currently has 16 Boeing 747-400s in the fleet, the oldest of which
have been delivered in 1989 (to what was then Northwest). The airline is
looking at replacing them before the next D-checks are due towards the
end of this decade.

Delta also wants to start the replacement cycle for its 58 767-300ERs,
although for this type deliveries span over a longer period from 1990 to
2001. Combining the 747 replacement and a large part of the 767-300ER
fleet leads to a requirement of an estimated 50 widebodies.

The carrier plans to look at four options: The Airbus A350-900 and
-1000, all three models of the Boeing 787, the current versions of the
A330 and a re-engined A330.

Delta is not looking at the 777X. “We don’t want experimental
airplanes,” says Anderson. “We are not interested in it.”

Delta has a history of caution when it comes to new aircraft types and
its fleet strategy differs compared to many other carriers in that it
tends to keep aircraft longer. In spite of the traditional caution,
Anderson believes Delta now has “good visibility” about the A350 and
787, enough to make a decision at this stage. “Both are pretty well down
the road now,” Anderson says and points out that Delta can draw upon
operational experience by its partner carriers Aeromexico and Virgin
Atlantic on the 787 side.

The company has ordered ten A330-300s in the increased 242 tons MTOW
version which are to be delivered from mid-2015. It also operates 21
lower MTOW A330-300s and eleven A330-200s. Anderson argues that a
reengined A330 would find high demand for use on transatlantic routes,
intra-Asia and even some West Coast to Asia flying.

Airbus has entered talks with General Electric, Rolls-Royce and Pratt &
Whitney about a re-engining of the A330, but has not yet made a
decision. The backlog currently stands at 258 aircaft taking production
into 2016 at the current rate of ten aircraft per month. The program
could, however, receive a significant boost through a major order for
potentially more than 100 aircraft from various Chinese airlines. It is
unclear whether the Chinese order would include commitments for the
re-engined aircraft. “Boeing made a mistake in not coming up with an
answer for the 767 and 757 market,” he says. While the A330 and 787 are
candidates for part of the 767 missions, “there is no obvious
replacement for the 757.” Delta plans to reduce the 757 fleet to around
90 aircraft by 2018.

Another gap Delta would like to fill is a good 115-120-seat aircraft,
slightly larger than the Boeing 717s that is currently taking over from
AirTran. “The 737-700 is not economical and the -800 is too large,”
Anderson says. One option could be the Bombardier C-Series and Delta has
looked at the geared turbofan (GTF) engine in particular. “Our engineers
have a lot of confidence in that gearbox,” Anderson says. “But we want
to see the aircraft in the marketplace” before placing an order.

There are more clues and questions begged in this article than in anything I've seen since before the merger. One thing is clear, Delta continues to chart a different course. The part about the 120 seaters really is surprising.

So they never really mentioned what aircraft will replace the 747. I don't think a re engined A330-300 can do the missions it does now. Again, many more questions raised...

Thanks for posting this.

Purple Drank 03-12-2014 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1600751)
So they never really mentioned what aircraft will replace the 747. I don't think a re engined A330-300 can do the missions it does now. Again, many more questions raised...
.

I'm sure RA is lobbying for a 737-1000EER.

TANSTAAFL 03-12-2014 10:13 AM

Doesn't mention numbers either - growth or just replacement?

flyallnite 03-12-2014 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1600759)
Doesn't mention numbers either - growth or just replacement?

On the widebody side, I'd say just replacement, with the potential for some growth if the market will bear it. Too soon to make that call.

The 120 seaters though, what could that mean?

finis72 03-12-2014 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1600751)
There are more clues and questions begged in this article than in anything I've seen since before the merger. One thing is clear, Delta continues to chart a different course. The part about the 120 seaters really is surprising.

So they never really mentioned what aircraft will replace the 747. I don't think a re engined A330-300 can do the missions it does now. Again, many more questions raised...

Thanks for posting this.

From the horse's mouth last July: The replacement for the 747 will most likely be the 777-300ER. Of course that was about 9 months ago. The timing works out because Boeing will be trying to sell the 777XXX and maybe will be discounting older models or there will be used airframes available.

Mesabah 03-12-2014 10:36 AM

The problem with the Cseries is that it is a Bombardier product, if it had been a Boeing or Airbus product, you guys would be in training on it right now. Bombardier just doesn't support their products, and that's a huge risk for Delta.

tsquare 03-12-2014 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1600366)
The good news is, if you've spent a lot of time on the 767/757, you don't need many on the 777 to stay sharp, it's the same thing, only easier! ;)

If that's not an argument for Longevity based pay, I don't know what is....

dalad 03-12-2014 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by tsquared030 (Post 1600745)
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NERD 03-12-2014 11:03 AM

It means for 4,8,3,3 will let those go to Republic. TMV don't ya know:rolleyes:





Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1600766)
On the widebody side, I'd say just replacement, with the potential for some growth if the market will bear it. Too soon to make that call.

The 120 seaters though, what could that mean?


tsquare 03-12-2014 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1600739)
Not scambo1's 50 787's in 2015 but still good news:

Eyes Major Widebody RFP For 747/767 Replacements

Good thing bigger pays more.....

When are ya'll gonna pay attention to this?


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