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Oh No! A Pilot wants a Day OFF !!!

quick question ....

Got unstacked for coverage into a 11 day deal. With kids at home, it's too much TAFB and every attempt at fixing this "coverage" award gets an instant "below reserve coverage" even day for day swaps. I don't think the skeds are even looking at swaps.

So time to go nuclear & use the APD.

If someone uses their APD and it takes them < the 75 hour G/S trigger, do you have to build back up to 75 before your G/S is a G/S, or do you lose the portion of the G/S that is < 75 hours?

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1642082)

Timbo you really did a great job of nailing all the issues surrounding pay banding.

I am opposed to pay banding but see it as unstoppable because without it management will come to us and say they cannot grow.

Both UAL and American have 4 bands. We are lucky because they both have experience and if we choose to make this concession, we can go to school on what they like and hate about pay banding.

If we agree to this it must be tied to historic pay increases and as Timbo pointed out it will require less pilots. This must be offset with increases in vacation days, the value of a vacation day 4:30 plus and training pay.

If we choose to do this I favor 2 bands. Widebody (2 asiles) and Narrowbody (1 asile). All 767s would pay 777 pay. All narrowbodys ER pay.

Maybe management has it all figured out and they don't need pay banding. That would be perfect in my world. But if they need it, we will have all the leverage we need to have a historic agreement.

A full and complete tightening of scope. 2004 hourly pay rates plus. Per diem $2.95/$3.95, 17% DC. 44 days of vacation. 4:30 or more of vacation and training days, etc.

There are many downsides to pay banding. Take the time to study it and give feedback to your reps. I see it as inevitable.

While I agree with your sentiments, I think you are still selling us way short.

Our min day right now is 5:15. Why should a training day or a vacation day be paid any less than 5:15?

And now let's talk about what a min day is: the new FAR 117 say's it's 9 hours block time max.

OK, why is our min day pay only 5:15?

Why isn't it 9?

Richard wants pay banding?

Okay...he can have it, just as soon as our min day is paid at 9 hours, for everything, including training and vacation too.

It's not our fault if they can't figure out how to schedule us more efficiently, they are the ones buying all the different fleet types. But I'm guessing that if they had to pay us a minimum of 9 hours per day, they'd figure it out real quick! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1642090)

Sometimes Tsquare I just don't know how to read you. It's like your a little boy and I'm telling you there is no Santa Clause. You get all mad and red in the face and run to your room covering your ears.

That's a little dramatic, dontcha think? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1642090)

Now that you have the facts, do you now favor DALPA taking the position to snap up our pay today and reduce the $2 billion dollar stock buy back?

Am I in favor of a pay increase?. Absolutely. Why don't you tell me how to do it... right now. All you ever advocate is symbolism. you offer nothing that resembles a path to the goal. And you are smoking crack if you think any pay increase we could garner would be in any way shape or form be tied to the stock buyback/dividend increase.

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1642090)

Tsquare I think you owe me an apology. We do disagree on how to restore our concessions, but we all agree it is time to make it happen.

I will have to do some more research on Anderson's stock holdings. I need to see it in writing from someone without agenda. Until then your "apology" is withheld.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1642092)

If someone uses their APD and it takes them < the 75 hour G/S trigger, do you have to build back up to 75 before your G/S is a G/S, or do you lose the portion of the G/S that is < 75 hours?

Remember, just APD one of the days to drop the entire trip. Then yes, you must WS back up to the 75hr GS trigger to get paid for the entire GS.

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Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1641962)

The way I understood it is that it's a physical training problem ( classrooms and sims) not a personnel problem. I think other sim time is being looked at as an option.

Maybe they should try to re-purchase NATCO. Anyone know who bought it? I might have to get some stock in that company. :rolleyes:

According to this SEC Form 4, he currently owns 1,096,288 shares.

On 5/8/14 he sold a total of 134,750 shares, or about 11% of his holdings, leaving the 1,096,288 shares remaining.

CORRECTION: Looking at it closer, I see that he sold 100K shares on 5/8 and DONATED a total of 34,750 shares to the various charitable organizations below:

2. Contribution to the Dominican Friars of Atlanta, Inc., dba Augustine House, a 501(c)(3) organization. - 29,000 shares
3. Contribution to the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra, a 501(c)(3) organization. - 1500 shares
4. Contribution to the South Texas College of Law, a 501(c)(3) organization. - 750 shares
5. Contribution to Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church, a 501(c)(3) organization. - 1000 shares
6. Contribution to the City of Refuge, a 501(c)(3) organization. - 500 shares
7. Contribution to the Children's Theatre Minneapolis, a 501(c)(3) organization. - 1500 shares
8. Contribution to the Delta Scholarship Fund, a 501(c)(3) organization. - 500 shares

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Originally Posted by ATL7ER (Post 1642099)

According to this SEC Form 4, he currently owns 1,096,288 shares.

wow... real documentation, not just hearsay. Thanks ER....

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Originally Posted by Wilbur Wright (Post 1642050)

If the 747/777/330/765 were banded together I don't think int'l would go junior. If we went to longevity based pay I agree the WBs would go more junior.

International will always go 'senior' as long as there are commuters who need a late sign in, early get back. There just isn't a comparable domestic schedule for a commuter, that puts as much block time into as few days away as possible, as flying the long haul does.

I just flew a 28hr. three day, with a positive space commuting seat on both ends. Even got first class and a meal on the way up.

If I had a whole month of that I'd be working 9 days for 84 hours.

Yeah.

No, I didn't have much fun on the 20hr. layover in Narita, but I'm home now, with more days off to enjoy sailing right on my lake, which is one of my favorite layovers... ;)

Now, if they put the 717 into MCO and it did the old Express flying, with BOS layovers, and we had Longevity pay, I'd have to bid it and quit commuting. But absent that, I doubt I'll see domestic flying again in my time remaining.

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1642016)

If I could just fly Dublin, Zurich and SXM for the rest of my life, I'd be fine with that! :D I've got buddies with sailboats in all those places, I'd love to go sailing with them on my layovers again.

There's a man who has his priorities straight. Productivity, shmoductivity, I'll put Timbo down as a +1 for pay banding! :D

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1642094)

Timbo,

You got to get real. Nine hours as a MIN? Ain't a gonna happen, so why waste brain cells? Also, you listed the FAA max hours as the baseline for our minimum. Kind of contradictory?