What does this have to do with DPA? Nothing. When did I mention DPA?

This is 100% about us getting the best contract possible. This is about standing up to management and reminding them the restoring the Delta pilots concessions before sending billions to the shareholders.

Who's side are you on?

Do the Delta pilots deserve some of those billions?

Are our concessions still necessary?

I support our MEC 100%. I communicate with them regularly.

In True Headings 14-2 they committed to a "historic" C2015. Let's all unify behind that.

It is long past time for the Delta pilots to share in the success they were by far the largest contributor to in terms of money and performance.

So at $38/share, Richard alone is worth over $100 Million in Delta stock?

And what was his pay cut?

Oh...wait. He dodged the NW Bankruptcy by going to UHC.

Then Delta bought out his United Healthcare contract, paid him $15 Million just to get him here.

So...he's good.

Now, can we talk OUR retirement plan? :rolleyes:

Wilber I have become a bigger fan of pay banding. I am sure there are positives and negatives to it and depending on what model you use those could be managed. However if Delta is anything like UPS the wide bodies would go really jr. So you would be safe going to Rome.

Anything that enhances our productivity (ie. reduces training) is a huge WIN for the company on two fronts;

1. it costs them less money, with less guys locked in the school house, less sim time to buy, less motels, etc.

2. it saves them total pilot body count, since not as many pilots are required to fly the schedule, which is fine if you are a line holder on something you want to be on, in a base you want to be in.

But if you are a bottom reserve, or a commuter, hoping to move up to a line, or another base...good luck.

All of their Training headaches are self inflicted, by buying all those different fleet types. This entire airline could be run with 3 fleets out of 3 bases, but Richard likes to buy cheap, used airplanes, so now he's got training problems...?

Call Pauli. :rolleyes:

I agree that it will be a challenge, but unlike the last time we hired 100 per month, we are far, far more productive as a pilot group. No touching trips, no 6th vacation week, no monthly cap (bow wave) that drops trips going forward... you know the drill. We also don't have Flight Engineers to train, AQP, distance learning, etc... I think they can do it.

Coming to the pilots to solve this problem would be bush league stuff for a Fortune 100 company that fancies itself a stalwart transport investment. Besides, the problem would snowball by the time we got around to solving it. They either have run the numbers and are happy with what they've got, or they are going to be sending instructors and pilots to simulators outside of ATL. Who knows, maybe the MSP training center will come back online? While the latter is unlikely, I am sure that the solution will be baked into the business plan. Not to worry :D

I agree with the rest of what you say 100%. Web boards sometimes aren't the best means of communication or hashing out differences. You and I agree we want the most we can get for 2015 we just disagree on the way to get there.

Here's to hopping we are not having this conversation after our "historic" C2015 no matter who represents us

Sorry Richard actually had 3,706,238 shares as of April, 2013 over a year ago.

Not a CEO and don't expect CEO pay for the Delta pilots, but where is the balance?

In 2012 Ed got a 42% raise. Richard 40%. Steve Gorman 60.8%. All on their non concessionary pay.

At what point will our leaders simply say in a polite, professional and businesslike way that our concessions are no longer necessary. Our hourly pay rates are well below what they were over a decade ago. Today is the day to snap up the Delta pilot's pay and recognize their incredible contribution.

Well said.

I agree completely. Can we all agree at the same time to stop exaggerating and/or misrepresenting our circumstance and deal with facts and reality?

Isn't that all we can really do going forward? I think most pilots issues stem from the perception that either the current representation or the alternative choice are the ones misrepresenting reality. The closer that the current representation can come to representing the present reality and acting accordingly, the stronger the support they will have. For me personally, C2012 didn't meet that standard. Others saw it as a stepping stone. Both perceptions and choices were correct. Individual circumstances vary. C2012 has provided me personally with very little return. Other at my seniority have seen large returns. That's why we vote!

Eagerly awaiting the 117 language, and the MEC's reaction to that language, as I see it as an indication of where we are headed with respect to reality.