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Purple Drank 03-12-2014 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1600835)
he 717 is an interim solution and was an outlier of C2012.

You cannot be serious.

RiddleEagle18 03-12-2014 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1600840)

One of boeings biggest mistakes was destorying the tooling to make that airplane.

A major weight reduction mod, cockpit refresh, and nice fat GTF next to those long legs and the 757 line would be humming.

The 737-900/1000 is way better though:rolleyes:

finis72 03-12-2014 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1600841)
Great minds and all that.... :cool:

T, I still think a better option would be a 3 tier pay scale based on seats. You could include the 747,777,767-400, and the 330 in one tier, maybe down to 170 seats in the next and last below 170 seats. This is just a out of my butt tiers but it would provide pay raises for a majority of pilots in addition to negotiated pay raises and in the long run would save the big D on training costs. Just an idea towards your coveted LBP.

LeineLodge 03-12-2014 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 1600862)
T, I still think a better option would be a 3 tier pay scale based on seats. You could include the 747,777,767-400, and the 330 in one tier, maybe down to 170 seats in the next and last below 170 seats. This is just a out of my butt tiers but it would provide pay raises for a majority of pilots in addition to negotiated pay raises and in the long run would save the big D on training costs. Just an idea towards your coveted LBP.

This is basically what United has. I'd be curious to hear how their guys like it

sailingfun 03-12-2014 01:31 PM

Since the new contract was signed the company has now posted and filled 530 CA positions. System wide block hours have been essentially flat. Does not make much sense in view of the massive job losses contained in the contract.

Timbo 03-12-2014 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1600869)
Since the new contract was signed the company has now posted and filled 530 CA positions. System wide block hours have been essentially flat. Does not make much sense in view of the massive job losses contained in the contract.

And yet no replacement bids for the retiring 747/777 Captains...:rolleyes:

If you want to be a 717 or 737 Capt. for the rest of your life, Delta Rocks! But if you want to make some money, not so much, when you consider the fleets and number of 747/777 Capt. jobs at UCon and AA, compared to the 16 747's and 18 777's at Delta.

Oh wait, Richard just said he wants to replace the 747's with something smaller, so we've got that going for us! :eek:

Free Bird 03-12-2014 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1600869)
Since the new contract was signed the company has now posted and filled 530 CA positions. System wide block hours have been essentially flat. Does not make much sense in view of the massive job losses contained in the contract.

Sailing

Seem like this argument that C2012 didn't cost jobs could be easily verified with a simple chart. Maybe FTB could make a fancy chart that shows the number of mainline jets on property at the end of 2011, 2012 and 2013. Then show a corresponding line that has the number of pilots on property those same years. Then we could all see if the ratio of pilots to planes has gone up, down or stayed the same since the contract was signed.

Just a thought for anyone who has more technical skills than I.

Elliot 03-12-2014 01:46 PM



Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1600869)
Since the new contract was signed the company has now posted and filled 530 CA positions. System wide block hours have been essentially flat. Does not make much sense in view of the massive job losses contained in the contract.

And yet no replacement bids for the retiring 747/777 Captains...:rolleyes:

Oh wait, Richard just said he wants to replace the 747's with something smaller, so we've got that going for us! :eek:
Tiered LBP (C2015) anyone? :cool:

Herkflyr 03-12-2014 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1600754)
I'm sure RA is lobbying for a 737-1000EER.

Or a DC-3-5000ER!

sailingfun 03-12-2014 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1600875)
And yet no replacement bids for the retiring 747/777 Captains...:rolleyes:

If you want to be a 717 or 737 Capt. for the rest of your life, Delta Rocks! But if you want to make some money, not so much, when you consider the fleets and number of 747/777 Capt. jobs at UCon and AA, compared to the 16 747's and 18 777's at Delta.

Oh wait, Richard just said he wants to replace the 747's with something smaller, so we've got that going for us! :eek:

Not sure what company fleet planning has to do with job loss from the contract. They have replaced 56 747/777 CA's in the above time frame. CA positions on the large wide bodies are as you know very dependent on 4 man verses 3 man metrics.
When did you become a 777CA?


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