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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1553965)
I watched the 117 video on Deltanet last night and it seems that the 777 fleet is going to be a test group for Delta for different rules. Do you know anything about that, Scambo?
Details include: – FDP limit of 20.5 hours (extendable to 22.5 with PIC concurrence) – Eliminated the flight time limit – Requires additional pre duty planned/minimum rest: – Requires a minimum of 56 hours rest upon return to base, which must include three physiological nights – Can only be used for 4-pilot operations on the 777 |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1553932)
Maybe but in this case the issues at hand are specifically reserve pilot issues. I'm not saying regular contract negotiations should be centered around reserve pilots QOL above all else, but this issue absolutely should because its reserve issues that are the vast majority of all of this. The company needs concessions otherwise reserve as they know it will basically cease to exist. What needs to come out the other end of this process are reserve QOL improvements to balance out whatever we end up agreeing to, not mining the issue to divert candy to other empires.
Other empires? We all work for the same Death Star... I hope they don't completely pickle reserve QOL, but there are many issues that need addressing... |
Originally Posted by A6danimal
(Post 1553876)
Does anyone know what's going on with scheds that they are not putting anyone on shortcall? MSP88B has a bunch of pilots on LC but nobody has been given shortcall for a couple of days, all short-notice trips are going to GS's. Which is GREAT, don't get me wrong, but can I count on it continuing? Did they realize SC is in conflict with 117 or something?
From what I'm seeing, my best guess is that they are figuring that for now, until they figure out how 117 is really going to play out, on good weather days, it's best to sparingly assign and use SC pilots and just give out greens slips -- at least more than they used to. Who is going to turn down a GS on a great sunny day, as opposed to having to fight to get to it through the snow and cold and overbooked flight? That way they can save more SC's for bad weather days. Just a guess. But, I think it means they are short and really worried about 117 and the summer. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1553971)
I know we are singled out for different rules.
30 hours rest before shortcall? You cant back to back them now. You get to theatre, but then need 2 days rest before flying intra-theatre. However, you can fly over and back with a 24 hour rest period. Who comes up with this crap? We have the best rest facility at the airline. I get home from a trip and I'm ready to tile a bathroom. These new rules make it seem like we have guys falling asleep in the airport. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1553973)
The 777 will be the only fleet approved for FRMS, or Fatigue Risk Management System.
Details include: – FDP limit of 20.5 hours (extendable to 22.5 with PIC concurrence) – Eliminated the flight time limit – Requires additional pre duty planned/minimum rest: – Requires a minimum of 56 hours rest upon return to base, which must include three physiological nights – Can only be used for 4-pilot operations on the 777 Read my previous post. Do you know if it's the flying that the 777 does that is the trigger for the company wanting to do this with them? |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1553986)
From the way they were acting in the video, it seemed that the kind of flying the 777 does really pushed the regular rules to the max. So, Delta is trying to alter them in a test -- probably to save money and/or require less pilots.
The problem as I see it is a significant loss of efficiency overall. If every leg was scheduled to be 17+ hours, fine. However, to make it work, you have a new process to make the looong legs work that is applied to just about every 12:01+ leg trip. |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1553987)
Thanks Johnson. :D
Read my previous post. Do you know if it's the flying that the 777 does that is the trigger for the company wanting to do this with them? |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1553992)
There is no test. DAL has received approval of the carveout rule.
The problem as I see it is a significant loss of efficiency overall. If every leg was scheduled to be 17+ hours, fine. However, to make it work, you have a new process to make the looong legs work that is applied to just about every 12:01+ leg trip. |
Originally Posted by Wilbur Wright
(Post 1553998)
I didn't realize the FRMS rules applied to the shorter legs. I thought they were just for the 17+ hour. Ouch.
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
(Post 1553898)
No they don't. I get called for them often with < 12 hours to report and if I turn down the profer then they are usually assigned to an in base SC pilot. OBWS goes ahead of a SC reserve pilot all day and twice on Sunday.
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