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OK great, but what are we asking for WRT long call reserve leash times? Cause 2 hours ain't gonna work. As it stands now LC is 19 hours, plus we still have the contractual 3 hours prior acknowledgement obligation and nothing more. Assuming we agree to provide relief for that, what will the LC leash end up being? What will the earliest SC a pilot can get on day one end up being after all this? Will we have any "mandatory schedule checks" on a day off like before? Until all that is fixed, there should be no piggy bank approach for a company wide payoff especially when its the reserve pilots that are doing all the work on the front lines with this mess.

Don't hang your hat on believing that reserves will see much of anything separate from regular line holders. Delta has always been a Captain/regular line holder airline. I don't see it changing with this negotiation. (And I'm a very junior reserve)

Denny

TeddyKGB

01-07-2014 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1553774)

OBWS's are awarded anytime in the manual coverage process. That is anytime after the 7 am window the day prior. In the coverage ladder they fall after in base reserves but before any premium flying.

OBWS fall after in base long call pilots. OBWS goes ahead of in base short call pilots.

RockyBoy

01-07-2014 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1553635)

Sounds like a future captain who will make his pre departure PA standing in the cabin to describe the 45 min flight to the pax, then make a climb out PA, a cruise PA, an arrival PA, most of which end in "welcome aboard." Then shut down the remaining engine as he makes final brake application with his right hand on the fuel switch before the FO can get to it just to save that extra .002 sec of fuel. :rolleyes:

GMAB. You sound like the guy who picks up flying for free, sits in uniform on his days off in ATL just in case they call him in to work for free on your day off. Then you can make a gate house PA with your hat on telling everyone how much you helped Delta out by flying for free. Probably have at least one family photo of you in uniform as well.

I was simply saying that guys who YS on days off do it for free. How you go from that statement to what you wrote I have no idea.

Flamer

01-07-2014 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1553823)

My guess is a change to our PWA to fit the new FARs with nothing in return. Cost neutral is their addiction we have enabled them for years. Wouldn't surprise me if they proposed to change our PWA to fit their needs with a 1% reduction in DC money and another cut of our profit sharing to pay for all the money it cost them to bother to negotiate.

That might be the spark for a Hutu uprising amongst the pilots.

johnso29

01-07-2014 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1553860)

OBWS fall after in base long call pilots. OBWS goes ahead of in base short call pilots.

Remember that the RUO is different depending on whether there is 12+ hours to report or less than 12 hours to report.

Your statement applies only if there is less than 12 hours to report. If there is more than 12 hours to report it would be:

1)Recovery slips
2)WS
3)LC
4)SC
5)LC YS interrupting X days
6)OBWS

dalad

01-07-2014 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1553860)

OBWS fall after in base long call pilots. OBWS goes ahead of in base short call pilots.

Wrong. OOB White slips go after ALL reserves.

A6danimal

01-07-2014 07:47 AM

Nobody on short call yesterday or today?

Does anyone know what's going on with scheds that they are not putting anyone on shortcall? MSP88B has a bunch of pilots on LC but nobody has been given shortcall for a couple of days, all short-notice trips are going to GS's. Which is GREAT, don't get me wrong, but can I count on it continuing? Did they realize SC is in conflict with 117 or something?

RockyBoy

01-07-2014 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by A6danimal (Post 1553876)

They have done it for 2 days now in SLC as well. All trips under 12 hours are going to GS's and WS's while they have guys on LC that they didn't assign SC.

PilotFrog

01-07-2014 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Widget Idjet (Post 1553836)

Link to a King Air 200 crash video that brought back memories of the B-52 knife edge crash a few years ago.

LiveLeak.com - Plane crashes into dragstrip at Akureyri, Iceland August 5 2013

The Co survived with minor injuries! WOW.

johnso29

01-07-2014 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1553875)

Wrong. OOB White slips go after ALL reserves.

Not if the report is less than 12 hours from notification.

Check Sec 23.O

1. Pilots who have submitted recovery slips under Section 23 J. (by proffer, in category, in 15 seniority order) or who are subject to recovery flying under Section 23 K. 1.
Note: A pilot whose original rotation was not a MED rotation will not be assigned recovery flying to a MED less than 24 hours prior to report time of the MED rotation without his consent.

2. Regular pilots who have submitted white slips (by proffer, in category, in seniority order) Exception: A local council officer who drops a rotation to conduct a monthly council meeting will be given first priority to white slip open time during that bid period in order to recover such dropped rotations. (see Section 24 J. 8.)

3. Long call reserve pilots who have submitted yellow slips (provided FAR reserve rest requirements have been met, in category, within RUO)

4. Out-of-base regular pilots who have submitted white slips (by proffer, in seniority order)

5. Short call reserve pilots (in category, within RUO)

6. Out-of-base long call reserve pilots who have submitted yellow slips (provided FAR reserve rest requirements have been met, by base, within RUO)

7. Out-of-base short call reserve pilots (by base, within RUO)

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