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Sailing,

What Steve Diickson wrote was that IF contract 2012 was ratified THEN he anticipated hiring would begin in the fall of 2012 and continue in the Spring of 2013. (it was in one of his weekly howgozit "that's all for now" briefs and I posted it here the last time this came up.)

Many pilots did consider this publication to be a conditional promise. They responded, voted for the contract and feel that the Company breached that promise.

It probably isn't Steve Dickson's fault. I believe his statement was made in good faith. It turned out to be incorrect.

The actual statement was that we would begin the hiring process in the fall of 2012 if the following happens. He then listed a bunch of qualifiers. Its been miss quoted so many times that its become a fact that he promised new hires in 2012. They were going to start interviews but classes were never planned in 2012. The hiring process actually started in July of 13 for the current round.

Bucking Bar

01-14-2014 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1558667)

Was he the same one who led the recall effort?

already answered

Purple Drank

01-14-2014 07:35 AM

disregard
filler

DAL 88 Driver

01-14-2014 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1558695)

Do you have an example of this bad information? I agree that it needs to be corrected.

Here are two of them (these are exact quotes):

"the FAR is also quite clear that the pilots must get 8 hours of "uninterrupted sleep opportunity" at the layover hotel. This is basically the same as the 8 hours behind the door we have had in the PWA for a number of years, but now it is required. It is not 8 hours of sleep."

"The FAR has changed to require a minimum of 8 uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity. The eight hours begins when you get to your room and ends when you leave your room for pickup."

Scoop

01-14-2014 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1558651)

And the company will as well, throwing that rogue regulation ignoring pilot under the bus with a flurry of AP press releases about how all pilots are encouraged to get the rest needed and we would hapilly delay a flight, safety is number one, etc. Do not let anyone push you on the rules or safety. If we do now, it will become accepted practice and the only way to get backing will be after something happens.

Gloopy,

I have not seen schedulers pushing at DAL. In fact my experience in the last two weeks has been the opposite - the schedulers have been super conservative. They have been giving out GSs vice using reserves at times.

This may change as They adjust to 117, lets hope it does not.

Have you experienced or heard of Pilots at DAL being pushed?

Scoop

Roadkill

01-14-2014 08:22 AM

Still no Feb bids out... :(

DAL 88 Driver

01-14-2014 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1558792)

Hey, I'm not Gloopy but I want to be clear. I have not heard of anyone being "pushed." I've noticed the same thing with the schedulers seemingly afraid to use reserves and giving out GS's instead.

Having said that, there are some within DALPA that are misinterpreting the 8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity in FAR 117 to be identical to the "8 hours behind the door" provision of our pilot contract. They are telling pilots that this is the case. I know everyone can read for themselves, but I also know that some of us (not me) put a great deal of confidence in what their reps, committee chairmen, etc. tell them. I am very concerned that one of our pilots is going to end up being violated on this. Not because of being "pushed" but because they are being given bad information. At this point, the danger seems to be coming from DALPA, not the company.

hockeypilot44

01-14-2014 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1558792)

I have. I know one pilot flew 9:35 of block in one day. His last flight was from LAS-DTW. He said they had 170kt planned tailwind. It was actually only 70kts. They were also filed at 250 cost index. He said dispatch also had a 5 minute taxi in on flight plan and a 10 minute taxi out. Everything assumed best case scenario. This pilot said flight panned out exactly as he expected and they went over FAR's by :35.

For my flight, my LATT was inaccurate. It used our planned flight time (which going to ATL is always short unless it is the middle of the night and you are landing in the right direction VMC) + 10 minutes taxi in. We went way over. Fortunately, we weren't that close to our LATT. It was a bad time though. I am extremely disappointed with how our company is handling the new FAR's. I have a feeling violations are coming our way.

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