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scambo1 12-26-2013 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1547162)
Certainly we have some bad schedulers. We also have some very good ones. Some have a bias and some don't. If you are ever in training and have some spare time go over to scheduling and ask to be shown around. If it's a bad weather day you might find it a eye opening experience. Listen to how some pilots treat the schedulers. The road runs both ways.

I was only treated poorly by a scheduler once...and it was a looong time ago. Background, I got short called, and told him I'd be there in an hour and a half...he needed me there in 1/2 hour. Back and forth, back and forth, I didn't get the trip and was made to go see the chief pilot???I don't think that would happen today but, it did then.

I was friends with the best scheduler (in my experience) and she retired 1-2 years ago. Huge huge bummer for me. I've also done the tour several times. I don't know how they do it with so few people, but they do.

That said, when I do get a call from scheduling, especially when I bid reserve, and I'm nice, they usually seem surprised. So yeah, I'm pretty sure pilots are/have been rude to them...uncalled for.

sailingfun 12-26-2013 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1547165)
Ok, then how about let's start with this. Double pay for trips that TOUCH a holiday, 150% for anything over 78 hours EVERY month. IMO the top 3 in Flight Ops Management are way out of touch and should have been gone a long time ago. They have been in their positions way longer than those that preceded them, except maybe Harry and Snake. Snake was a keeper, Harry should have never gotten the job in the first place.

Of course the big reason Harry was asked to leave was he kept insisting that all jet aircraft regardless of size should be flown by the mainline. He went to battle over the issue and sadly lost.

sailingfun 12-26-2013 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1547253)
Flight attendants?

They don't pay them double. They do however offer 4 extra hours pay on 3 day rotations and sometimes 6 hours. No contract so scheds customizes the bribe based on need. They call it IPY+4 or rarely 6 hour pay. They also make it departure base specific.

sailingfun 12-26-2013 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by ilinipilot (Post 1547277)
Another point that gets lost in the shuffle of staffing is our profitability. I think management is running the company like we are on the verge of bankruptcy. I appreciate a cost conscious management style but now it is affecting the operation and it will not be long before it affects our bottom line in loss of revenue. We do not need to spend money like drunken sailors but we need to adequately fund the operation to be able to deal with contingincies. I see it the same as upgrading jfk or adding lie flat seats to our planes. we must spend the money to upgrade the operation. We will never have this opportunity again in our lifetime where all three of our major competitors are merging. we should not spoil it by ****ing away our lead because we did not invest in our airline.
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If it's effecting the operation you sure would not know it by the stats. We are probably about to end the year with the best performance in 50 years.

sailingfun 12-26-2013 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1547174)
Sort of. There is a percentage of pilots that might abuse schedulers, and a percentage of schedulers that might abuse pilots. I was always amazed at how schedulers kept it very professional, however. Professionalism was institutionalized. Guys like Watson lost sleep over every minute of sick time, but the schedulers were professional.

At some time after the merger, I don't know if it was RA/SD/Big Data/new schedulers/NW Schedulers/changes in management/potential abuse/the post-BK era, somehow the green light was given to an entirely different stance, and sarcasm and doubt were institutionalized. Many schedulers are still pros, some are not.

Then again, it's pretty normal for people to act a little frustrated when given impossible tasks. If they're not given enough pilots for the flying...

I agree that there was a noticeable change following the merger. Seems like the worst are a batch of ASA schedulers Delta hired. They also now and then due stupid things like break up a trip so many times it costs more then just green slipping it.
Keep in mind that crew scheduling was once a perk job you got after proving yourself somewhere else in the airline. Like many of the non contract jobs the position was reclassified and the pay was slashed. It is now a street hire entry level job.

Scoop 12-26-2013 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1547283)
I was only treated poorly by a scheduler once...and it was a looong time ago. Background, I got short called, and told him I'd be there in an hour and a half...he needed me there in 1/2 hour. Back and forth, back and forth, I didn't get the trip and was made to go see the chief pilot???I don't think that would happen today but, it did then.

I was friends with the best scheduler (in my experience) and she retired 1-2 years ago. Huge huge bummer for me. I've also done the tour several times. I don't know how they do it with so few people, but they do.

That said, when I do get a call from scheduling, especially when I bid reserve, and I'm nice, they usually seem surprised. So yeah, I'm pretty sure pilots are/have been rude to them...uncalled for.




I also think our schedulers are pretty good and have always been impressed with them. 14 years switching between line and reserve with only one bad experience. I am sure there are a few who have some rough edges but same with the Pilots.

Don't forget these people have a tough job. Anyone who has worked Ops/schedules in the Military knows what I mean. I have a few beefs with how DAL runs things (it is however definitely improving:)) but I blame management for this, not the front-line employees who are just playing the cards that management deals them. OK - sorry about the cheesy cliche, coffee has not kicked in yet. :D

Scoop

TheManager 12-26-2013 09:39 AM

Crazy
 
Can it get any more weird than this.

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Howgozit 12-26-2013 11:59 AM

Does anyone know when reserve look back guarantee gets recalculated or readjusted? I've flown 15 days this month and I thought I should get paid the same rotation credit as line holder for the month.

LOBO 12-26-2013 12:02 PM

ALPA Webinar this afternoon
 
A lot of specific questions:

Clarified some questions.

Re-emphasised the difference with the Assoc. and SD letter on the long call question.


MEC will issue a letter later this week.

slowplay 12-26-2013 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1547287)
Of course the big reason Harry was asked to leave was he kept insisting that all jet aircraft regardless of size should be flown by the mainline. He went to battle over the issue and sadly lost.

I don't think that's correct.

Comair got the first CRJ in December, 1993. ASA got their first 100 seat jet in 1995. Alger left when he was 60 years old in October, 1998, one year after Leo Mullin became CEO.

He may have "gone to battle" (I don't know but never read or heard anything about him doing so) but he lost that battle long before he left. I believe his leaving had more to do with a change of CEO than anything else.

His replacement Mac Armstrong may or may not have been a good USAF 4 star, but he was a terrible EVP of Operations. Clueless and disconnected.


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