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maddogmax 12-26-2013 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1547439)
T,

Personal opinion only, but I think it goes back to the days when we were compensated at a much higher level. Back in those days we did not really need holiday pay since we were already compensated in line with other professionals such as doctors and lawyers.

Well fast forward 15/20 /30 years and guess what? Our compensation has not kept up with other professionals, for numerous reasons beyond the scope of this post, and we never quite pushed the issue of holiday pay.

Maybe the time is now or at least 2016?

Scoop

Not only holiday pay but I never understood why we didn't get hourly pay from check-in? I know we got trip hour credit but it seldom made up for the time we spent flight planning, pre-flighting, etc.

forgot to bid 12-26-2013 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 1547447)
Not only holiday pay but I never understood why we didn't get hourly pay from check-in? I know we got trip hour credit but it seldom made up for the time we spent flight planning, pre-flighting, etc.

If we did that they'd eliminate long sits and unproductive trips. Why get rid of a good thing?

FmrFreightDog 12-26-2013 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1547438)
Exhibit A:
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Exhibit B:



Conclusion:
Both make my eyes happy.

I can't look at that picture without hearing her say, "...and then we bang." Character flaw, I suppose.

sailingfun 12-26-2013 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1547401)
I don't think that's correct.

Comair got the first CRJ in December, 1993. ASA got their first 100 seat jet in 1995. Alger left when he was 60 years old in October, 1998, one year after Leo Mullin became CEO.

He may have "gone to battle" (I don't know but never read or heard anything about him doing so) but he lost that battle long before he left. I believe his leaving had more to do with a change of CEO than anything else.

His replacement Mac Armstrong may or may not have been a good USAF 4 star, but he was a terrible EVP of Operations. Clueless and disconnected.

He was pushing to bring all that flying in house. He even felt a agreement with ALPA could be quickly reached.

Sink r8 12-26-2013 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1547427)
I think... and I am not sure.. but if you use it for your 401k, and you fill it to the 415 limits, you then get paid that excess as regular income, much in the same way you would be getting the profit sharing if you took it as pay. But.. that money would be working for you in the retirement account sooner. There's that old TVM thing again... JMHO, DYODD however....

All perfectly legitimate points for us to consider and debate.

But considering how much of our overall compensation was destroyed in the construction of the "New Delta", which looks suspiciously like the old Delta, with the money moved out of the orange envelopes, and re-assigned to more... valuable corporate objectives, I figure that the company ought to have the decency to show that what remain of mine... is not their business.

Someone spent the time thinking about what I should be advised to do. The composed the message, then spent (my) money to send me the postcard.

Purple Drank 12-26-2013 06:07 PM

The company is not providing that advice for our benefit.

Does the company get a tax break if the money goes directly into our 401Ks?

Is there a kickback from Fidelity?

Sink r8 12-26-2013 06:44 PM

Say it isn't so?!


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1547557)
The company is not providing that advice for our benefit.

Just so we're clear, I'm not gratuitously whining. I can deal with the past, and with where we are. I get it. I just find it offensive that an entity that no longer protects us like a parent should, should find it acceptable to give paternalistic advice, self-serving or not. The not-so-subtle implication: we don't take care of you, but we want to make sure you're taken care of, by taking care of yourselves. The health "advice" fits in the same category, as far as I'm concerned.

It's all crap.

qball 12-26-2013 07:04 PM

So, does anybody get fired for the Delta airfare "price glitch"?

80ktsClamp 12-26-2013 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by qball (Post 1547589)
So, does anybody get fired for the Delta airfare "price glitch"?

Seen tomorrow out front of the Kremlin:

http://www.tomecek.com/jay/Stocks.gif

tsquare 12-26-2013 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1547540)
All perfectly legitimate points for us to consider and debate.

But considering how much of our overall compensation was destroyed in the construction of the "New Delta", which looks suspiciously like the old Delta, with the money moved out of the orange envelopes, and re-assigned to more... valuable corporate objectives, I figure that the company ought to have the decency to show that what remain of mine... is not their business.

Someone spent the time thinking about what I should be advised to do. The composed the message, then spent (my) money to send me the postcard.

Fair enough I guess. As an aside, I like paper actually. (As long as I don't have to physically ensure it is updated other than reading the date on the package or lug it around) When we are required to do everything electronically is when I get concerned. I am curious as to how other than the accessibility of real time weather data, the EFBs (for example) are gonna make my life better. Feel free to discuss that ya'll. Back on point however, I choose to not see this as anything nefarious. (My disclaimer is that I have not seen the card as of yet) It could be just a helpful suggestion, and that isn't always a bad thing.




Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1547557)
The company is not providing that advice for our benefit.

Does the company get a tax break if the money goes directly into our 401Ks?

Is there a kickback from Fidelity?

I disagree with your first sentence. If I fund my 401k earlier in the year, this year and next year and the year after, for 30 years of my career, I will have lots more money at the end because that money has been working for me for much longer. It's that little inconvenient truth about time/value of money that you seem to detest so much. If the company gets a tax break/kick back and at the same time it benefits me to undertake the suggestion, where's the harm? You are not being forced to do anything.


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