Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Hey fellas, quick geen slip question. Who's the proper dog to speak to if you believe you were passed over (overlooked) for a GS or two? Call and run the guantlet of crew scheduling or speak with DALPA. Not trying to bust any of my bros, but looks like I either screwed up royally or didn't get the call for a couple GS's I was senior for. Just curious. Thanks!
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It's GOOD to be Larry Ellison! $300 Million to him is about 30 bucks to you and me.
Wasn't there an old saying about the only difference between men and boys, is the price of their toys?
The traditionalist, Monhull Yatch Club types went nutz when Larry said he was going to use 72' catamarans to race for the America's Cup. There were all kinds of nay-sayers who said you can't match race in catamarans, etc. Then they figured out how to make them foil (the Kiwi's actually did it first) and all hell broke loose. It turned into one of the best America's Cup matches ever.
If you saw those foiling C class cats I put the video of a few pages back, they have been foiling for about 10+ years. Larry went and got some of those guys to join his team, and some guys from the foiling Moth class, and some got help from Boeing as well.
Money is no object when you are number 2 or 3 on the World's Richest Man list.
Here's an excellent video which explains how both the AC 72 and the Moth are able to "Fly", done by Nathan Outteridge, two time Moth World Champion. He lives in Detroit now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta12lE7xiSk
Oh, I looked into getting a Moth, so I could fly too. A new one is about $16K and the dealer I spoke with said you do a lot more swimming than actual flying! Nathan makes it look easy, but then the best guys always do!
Wasn't there an old saying about the only difference between men and boys, is the price of their toys?

The traditionalist, Monhull Yatch Club types went nutz when Larry said he was going to use 72' catamarans to race for the America's Cup. There were all kinds of nay-sayers who said you can't match race in catamarans, etc. Then they figured out how to make them foil (the Kiwi's actually did it first) and all hell broke loose. It turned into one of the best America's Cup matches ever.
If you saw those foiling C class cats I put the video of a few pages back, they have been foiling for about 10+ years. Larry went and got some of those guys to join his team, and some guys from the foiling Moth class, and some got help from Boeing as well.
Money is no object when you are number 2 or 3 on the World's Richest Man list.

Here's an excellent video which explains how both the AC 72 and the Moth are able to "Fly", done by Nathan Outteridge, two time Moth World Champion. He lives in Detroit now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta12lE7xiSk
Oh, I looked into getting a Moth, so I could fly too. A new one is about $16K and the dealer I spoke with said you do a lot more swimming than actual flying! Nathan makes it look easy, but then the best guys always do!
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It's GOOD to be Larry Ellison! $300 Million to him is about 30 bucks to you and me.
Wasn't there an old saying about the only difference between men and boys, is the price of their toys?
The traditionalist, Monhull Yatch Club types went nutz when Larry said he was going to use 72' catamarans to race for the America's Cup. There were all kinds of nay-sayers who said you can't match race in catamarans, etc. Then they figured out how to make them foil (the Kiwi's actually did it first) and all hell broke loose. It turned into one of the best America's Cup matches ever.
If you saw those foiling C class cats I put the video of a few pages back, they have been foiling for about 10+ years. Larry went and got some of those guys to join his team, and some guys from the foiling Moth class, and some got help from Boeing as well.
Money is no object when you are number 2 or 3 on the World's Richest Man list.
Here's an excellent video which explains how both the AC 72 and the Moth are able to "Fly", done by Nathan Outteridge, two time Moth World Champion. He lives in Detroit now.
America's Cup: Nathan Outteridge foiling on his Moth - YouTube
Oh, I looked into getting a Moth, so I could fly too. A new one is about $16K and the dealer I spoke with said you do a lot more swimming than actual flying! Nathan makes it look easy, but then the best guys always do!
Wasn't there an old saying about the only difference between men and boys, is the price of their toys?

The traditionalist, Monhull Yatch Club types went nutz when Larry said he was going to use 72' catamarans to race for the America's Cup. There were all kinds of nay-sayers who said you can't match race in catamarans, etc. Then they figured out how to make them foil (the Kiwi's actually did it first) and all hell broke loose. It turned into one of the best America's Cup matches ever.
If you saw those foiling C class cats I put the video of a few pages back, they have been foiling for about 10+ years. Larry went and got some of those guys to join his team, and some guys from the foiling Moth class, and some got help from Boeing as well.
Money is no object when you are number 2 or 3 on the World's Richest Man list.

Here's an excellent video which explains how both the AC 72 and the Moth are able to "Fly", done by Nathan Outteridge, two time Moth World Champion. He lives in Detroit now.
America's Cup: Nathan Outteridge foiling on his Moth - YouTube
Oh, I looked into getting a Moth, so I could fly too. A new one is about $16K and the dealer I spoke with said you do a lot more swimming than actual flying! Nathan makes it look easy, but then the best guys always do!
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Thanks but I've already got 3 catamarans in my back yard that don't get used enough! I'd like to sell my Formula 16 racing cat and 'retire' to a Corsair F28R Trimaran, race with the old men over in Sarasota, cruise in the Keys, but I've got to get four kids -off- my payroll first!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfqRKQrDvWU
Why a Corsair F28?? Because I'll never be able to afford this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP985PjMGts
;^)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfqRKQrDvWU
Why a Corsair F28?? Because I'll never be able to afford this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP985PjMGts
;^)
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I got a Hobie 14 and Prindle 18 for my kids, cheap, $500 each, out of neighbor's backyards where they'd been sitting unused for years.
Here's a good website if any of you are looking for cheap, used catamarans
http://www.thebeachcats.com/classifi...-for-sale.html
And there's always Craigs List.
What's a big bang for the buck sailboat that a family of 4 could spend a weekend on the lake? I've always had a thing for sailboats and used to drool over the Hunter models, but then became a pilot so that's literally out water...... My only experience is in a Hobie Cat 14 and even that was an experiment. I'm thinking about taking a sailing course on Lanier and renting some this summer. I'm a hobbiest woodworker and thought it would be cool to take a classic wooden boat and restore it...
BTW, has anyone heard from Alpharomeo? Hopefully he is doing ok. If you are reading this you are still in our thoughts and prayers
Coming off an X day, you are obligated to check your schedule at 1500 to before 0200 BASE TIME (The Reserve day following your last X day). If you are on a Vacation Day, no need to and this does not apply.
You are always on Long Call Status, unless they convert you to SC or give you a trip (FDP). You need at least 10 hours REST (12 hours if the start of SC or FDP is 0200-0559) before the start of SC or FDP.
i.e. If you have not acknowledged your assigned SC or RDP by 10 hours to go (12 hours for 0200-0559), you are not legal to do it.
You are always on Long Call. You are only obligated to check your schedule every NINE (9) hours via computer or VRU..Its time stamped.
If in this 9 hour check, there are no assignments, you can shut your phone off until the next 9 hours. i.e. Im on LC and at 1000 I check my schedule via icrew but I am not assigned anything so I shut my phone off for 9 hours. At 1900 I am obligated to check my schedule.
In other words. Long Call Pilot is on a 12 Hour Leash but is only obligated to check his schedule every 9 hours and acknowledge it no later than 3 hours before the start of an FDP. Or acknowledge a SC assignment no later than 1 hour prior to SC.
Also, when you are given a REST PERIOD, you have to acknowledge no Later than 6 hours AFTER THE REST BEGINS. Then you can turn everything off.
One important note, a LC pilot has no obligation of responsibility for contact during the 12 hour immediately prior to scheduled report time of rotation or 10 hours prior to start of ASSIGNED SC.
I hope this helps. This is what I come up with by looking over the 117 notes and literature.
TEN
You are always on Long Call Status, unless they convert you to SC or give you a trip (FDP). You need at least 10 hours REST (12 hours if the start of SC or FDP is 0200-0559) before the start of SC or FDP.
i.e. If you have not acknowledged your assigned SC or RDP by 10 hours to go (12 hours for 0200-0559), you are not legal to do it.
You are always on Long Call. You are only obligated to check your schedule every NINE (9) hours via computer or VRU..Its time stamped.
If in this 9 hour check, there are no assignments, you can shut your phone off until the next 9 hours. i.e. Im on LC and at 1000 I check my schedule via icrew but I am not assigned anything so I shut my phone off for 9 hours. At 1900 I am obligated to check my schedule.
In other words. Long Call Pilot is on a 12 Hour Leash but is only obligated to check his schedule every 9 hours and acknowledge it no later than 3 hours before the start of an FDP. Or acknowledge a SC assignment no later than 1 hour prior to SC.
Also, when you are given a REST PERIOD, you have to acknowledge no Later than 6 hours AFTER THE REST BEGINS. Then you can turn everything off.
One important note, a LC pilot has no obligation of responsibility for contact during the 12 hour immediately prior to scheduled report time of rotation or 10 hours prior to start of ASSIGNED SC.
I hope this helps. This is what I come up with by looking over the 117 notes and literature.
TEN
If you never receive a call from ATL, you are not obligated to check your schedule while on call.
Your check every 9 hours assures you will not miss the 3 hour prior acknowledgement window (1 hr for start of SC), but if your phone never rings, there won't be anything on your schedule.
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What's a big bang for the buck sailboat that a family of 4 could spend a weekend on the lake? I've always had a thing for sailboats and used to drool over the Hunter models, but then became a pilot so that's literally out water...... My only experience is in a Hobie Cat 14 and even that was an experiment. I'm thinking about taking a sailing course on Lanier and renting some this summer. I'm a hobbiest woodworker and thought it would be cool to take a classic wooden boat and restore it...
They can be found for pretty cheap (less than $2,000) and are a good family weekender lake type boat. Most of them have a swing keel so you can retract it, put the boat on a trailer and take it home, vs. spending money for a slip.
A 19' Flying Scot http://flyingscot.com/ is a great lake boat and a 17' Oday Daysailor is good too, but no cabin if you want to sleep on it.
http://boats.smartcarguide.com/o-day-17-sailboat
Probably the best deal if you're new to sailing is to go to a nearby sailing club, see what they've got for club boats. Usually once you join the club, you can use their boats anytime they are available, and for us Airline types that works out, because the 9-5 M-F guys are only at the clubs on the weekends, while we are flying, so you'll have the pick of the boats on your days off during the week.
Most yacht clubs have a kids program too, and adult learn to sail programs, on the weekends, so you can drop the little darlings off there, they'll jump in an Opti, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimist_%28dinghy%29
while you and mom go out on a bigger club boat. http://www.llsc.com/membership/
I started in little dinghys and then raced monohulls for years, but when I got my first taste of real speed, out on the trapeeze wire of a friend's Hobie 20 I was blown away; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVb_ljex8Sc
So I got hooked on catamarans. BUT...because you are going three times faster than a monohull, spray is flying, so you will get wet if there's any wind at all. That's why my wife won't go near my catamaran. They are better in the south where the water is warmer.
Up in Portsmouth, NH we had to wear wet suits, even in July, when racing out in the Atlantic. That ocean water never gets above 50 degrees!
If you can't find a club near you, check out the US Sailing site, they have lists of clubs: http://training.ussailing.org/Learni...ng_started.htm
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Good stuff Timbo. That will give me something to research on my two week trip I start tomorrow
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