Originally Posted by JungleBus

Small correction - they went immediately to ~80% torque as soon as the stick shaker went off, then didn't move the throttles again. There was power during the actual aerodynamic stall, which took place well after the initial stick shaker event.

Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc

Junglebus..I'm getting the vibe that you're a champion of the "RJ pilots got screwed" and that mainline pilots are enjoying their profit sharing checks "on the backs of poor RJ pilots". As one of the former 1310 DAL furloughees, let me offer a different perspective;

RJ Captains didn't have any problems upgrading in a few years and logging a decades worth of TPIC on the backs of mainline furloughees.

RJ Captains at Comair didn't have any problems cashing Strike Assesment checks as mainline pilots honored their struck work out of CVG and tried to reduce the pay gap by making Comair pilots the highest paid RJ Captains in the industry.

RJ Captains didn't have any problem refusing to allow furloughed mainline pilots to get hired in the RIGHT seat at Comair in exchange of preferred interviews at DAL unless the lists were merged and all scope provisions were eliminated.

RJ Captains didn't have a problem supporting the RJDC to sue mainline ALPA.

RJ Captains didn't have a problem flying to the 121 max for the lowest bidder as long as they got to fly new, bigger turbine aircraft on routes that used to be flown by mainline 737, 727, M88, DC9 pilots.

Rj Captains didn't have any problem flying legacy passengers hub to hub, laying over in FCA, MSO, JAC and then non-revving with their families in first class to Paris while they made an average of $100k a year.

RJ Captains didn't have a problem using their thousands of hours of PIC to shop around for a SWA/JBLU/Frontier/Spirit/Allegiant/Suncountry/ect. job but then enjoy a flow-thru agreement to DAL and get a class date just weeks after our final furloughees get back to the line after a decade without their ID badge.

Sorry Junglebus. You just got hired at Delta, right? You better save the "on the backs of RJ pilots" for APC..'cause it ain't gonna fly when you're talking smack around 15 yr FO's who are still waiting for a chance to move to the left seat.

Here's what I've been doing while you've been an RJ Captain;

DFW 727C, SLC 727B, SLC 73NB..9/11..DFW M90B, CVG M88B, Furlough...Recall, ATL 737B, SLC 737B, SLC M90B, merger..SLC 320B.

Sorry you had it so rough. The pilot shortage and 1500 hr rule are gonna be huge windfalls for any RJ Captain hired on the front of the wave. You won the lottery, but you still want to ***** about having to buy a ticket.

Originally Posted by Timbo

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Originally Posted by Vikz09

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Let's not forget the props being brought up to high RPM, but both pilots didn't bother to check for the airspeed drop off that is always associated with that action.

Then, pulling back in the stall... which is what Pinnacle and Colgan taught at the time. "Don't lose altitude!" 4 years earlier the Pinnacle 3701 accident the pilots did the same thing at 41,000 feet... the shakers fired and the captain (who also originated from Gulfstream just like the Colgan captain) hauled back on the stick.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Heck I do remember doing approach to stall stuff in the RJ and you'd do the clean, dirty and in a turn and have to slow to the shaker and recover to 180 or 200 kts +/- 5 and altitude +/- 100' and then do it again.

Now I got a chance to do it in the aircraft during training (not enough sim time) so in the middle of the night over Waco at 14000 I slowed it down to the shaker and unlike the sim the pusher fired off pretty easily. And fired off is the best way to describe that thing. Neat to see.

Originally Posted by JungleBus

Hold up there, you're putting a few words in my mouth based on one throwaway comment. I'm not saying "RJ pilots got screwed". Every one of us knew exactly what we were getting into when we took the job. Mind you, we made that decision because it had become a defacto requirement for a civilian pilot who wanted to fly for the majors, but that's no excuse. I take responsibility for my actions and don't claim to be a victim whatsoever. Neither do I consider 10 years at the regionals "winning the lottery," though it certainly beats what you had to go through.

It seems like you've made the connection between outsourcing of narrowbody flying and your furlough and subsequent stagnation; don't you want that flying to be recaptured? That's what I want (and have for 10 years), and with the pilot shortage getting underway there may very well be a good chance to do exactly that in the near future. I don't want you to recapture it because RJ guys got screwed...we didn't, we got exactly what we were looking for (a chance at the majors) and no more. I want you to recapture it because junior guys like yourself got screwed, royally. I want you to recapture it because there is presently an enormous schism across this profession, and the lack of unity is going to hurt us going forward.

I've been trying to avoid "mainline guys are to blame for giving up scope!" arguments lately because *everyone* has a share of the blame, it's hypocritical to blame someone for a choice that I subsequently took advantage of, and because blaming people makes enemies out of needed allies. My throwaway comment about profit checks partially financed by RJ flying probably sounded accusatory, when I was mostly saying "Look, everything in this industry is connected. You can't biatch about Pt 117 that much when your wages, profit sharing etc were partially financed by contract decisions that eventually led to the conditions that brought about Pt 117." It's an argument for taking back scope: outsourcing 50% of your narrowbody flying will inevitably affect the 50% you keep.

Originally Posted by cni187

Now I'm glad I did military pilot training where we took a twin engine jet out into an area and tried to kill ourselves in so many ways. So much different when you actually feel the airplane stall versus in a box simulating it.