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02-15-2014 | 09:48 AM

#149291

gloopy

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From: window seat

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Originally Posted by Timbo

I'm going to try to swap one trip on my line, for two trips in the pot.

I think you're making it harder than it needs to be.

that's what she said

If the staffing is there on the first request it processes, it should aproove it and be done. Even though you're not picky, look at the staffing grid and find some fat days and put in two or three preferences and you'll probably get your first one anyway.

02-15-2014 | 09:52 AM

#149292

TeddyKGB

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From: 7er

Quote:

Originally Posted by Going2Baja

Anyone notice the 100's of trips in open time in LAX/B? How are they going to cover THAT many trips? Oh yeah - everyone can pickup to max.

Speaking of that, If one pilot picks up can he give that trip to another pilot or is that 'Parking?'

Thanks - Baja.

All March trips will continue to show up in open time until schedules are finalized into DBMS. March trips aren't pulled from open time until you March schedule shows up in Icrew.

02-15-2014 | 10:03 AM

#149293

forgot to bid

veut gagner à la loterie

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From: Light Chop

Quote:

Originally Posted by gloopy

What was the learning objective mandate for that though?

Was it push down, lose altitude and recover, or was it the idiotic "hold altitude +/- 100 feet" fake PTS nonsense, toxic negative training group think that was prevalent at the time in the sims?

Fake PTS nonsense, although it was showing your scan could control an aircraft decelerating and accelerating. I think eventually we stopped going to the shaker.

BTW, here was a portion of the PPT presentation from the NTSB on Colgan:

Air carrier pilots trained on "approach to stall," requiring recovery with minimal altitude loss,
Altitude loss standards not appropriate for full developed stall
Positive nose-down control force necessary once actual wing aerodynamic stall occurs.

Not bright, it's what we did. Now if they want to stalls at FAF, that probably is not a bad idea. Colgan wasn't the first to get themselves into that situation.

Also this is from that same PPT presentation:

Colgan included NASA-produced video on tailplane stalls during training,
Tailplane procedure opposite of wing stall recovery procedure,
Bombardier: Q400 demonstrated to be free from taliplane stalls,
FAA: no current Part 121 airplanes susceptible to tailplane stalls.

Now for those who have never seen it I've fast forwarded to a portion of that NTSB video (starts 20 min in) that would probably be the most memorable behind the cockpit video of the DHC-6 tailplane stall recovery...

NASA Tailplane Icing Video Glenn Research Center - YouTube

sure its out of context but if all you remember is stall, pull back, retract flaps... i believe its negative training.

Last edited by forgot to bid; 02-15-2014 at 10:19 AM.

02-15-2014 | 10:11 AM

#149294

Going2Baja

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From: Driving to work & Looking Left @ the Surf!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta1067

All March trips will continue to show up in open time until schedules are finalized into DBMS. March trips aren't pulled from open time until you March schedule shows up in Icrew.

Duh....Thanks. It was a long night.

Baja.

02-15-2014 | 10:14 AM

#149295

Timbo

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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .

Quote:

Originally Posted by Going2Baja

Duh....Thanks. It was a long night.

Baja.

You'll find the actual open time at the bottom of your Wide Report on the PBS awards page, below all the reserve awards.

02-15-2014 | 10:22 AM

#149296

sailingfun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Be sure and check your time card again after the rotation shows "closed." There's a guy in scheduling who audits reroute pay and will take it off if he doesn't think it meets the criteria. If he does take if off, be sure and call him up and make your case (his name is Jim). I've had at least two occasions where I had to do this. The criteria he used to justify my reroute pay was whether or not Delta could have gotten me home some other way (i.e. deadhead) without rerouting me into another day. Anyway, FYI...

Jim is actually a very reasonable guy to deal with unlike a few in CS.

02-15-2014 | 10:28 AM

#149297

cni187

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Going2Baja

Check out the ER/B in NY and Atl. There are 7-8 open lines of time worth more than 70 hours. The plugs are line holders for march. Reserve is now being duked out by senior guys. Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

Last edited by cni187; 02-15-2014 at 10:29 AM. Reason: Had to get the Ghostbusters reference correct

02-15-2014 | 10:29 AM

#149298

sailingfun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

By system wide I'm assuming you're including transoceanic, because domestic trip construction has gone tremendously downhill.

Ours on the ATL 320 just fell off the cliff in March. Ugh! All my trips are below 5 hours credit a day except for one, 3 of them include at least 1 5-leg day, and 3 of them include a 30+ hr layover. I'll be working PCS hard again in March.

I meant domestic flying. They also discussed a decline in both the A320 and MD 88 trips. It had nothing to do with 117. With deliveries sliding on the 717 and the decision not to hire last winter they are running out of time for copilots on those aircraft. As a consequence they have removed all quality of life parameters from trip construction on those AC and are using min credit only. They said it should improve as new hires come online later in the spring.

02-15-2014 | 11:08 AM

#149299

Jughead

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From: ATL717A

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta1067

Reroute pay is full pay, no credit.

Slow on the uptake...I have 11:58 of Reroute Pay with a closed time card. This is added to my 76 ish that I currently have for 88 ish pay hours for the month - is that correct?

02-15-2014 | 11:13 AM

#149300

Jughead

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From: ATL717A

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

I meant domestic flying. They also discussed a decline in both the A320 and MD 88 trips. It had nothing to do with 117. With deliveries sliding on the 717 and the decision not to hire last winter they are running out of time for copilots on those aircraft. As a consequence they have removed all quality of life parameters from trip construction on those AC and are using min credit only. They said it should improve as new hires come online later in the spring.

For the record, deliveries aren't sliding. We are on schedule and will take delivery of 4 a/c per month. We will have all 88 aircraft by mid 2015 v end of 2015. Rehabs at VQQ and IND are going well. Many of the early issues are resolved and they're pumping them out in about 45 days.