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Old 02-15-2014 | 03:58 PM
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[QUOTE=Timbo;1582447]Go to Vegas and...

make it RAIN!!

And for you hosers who missed the RUS-USA hockey game live this morning, NBC is going to replay it tonight at 8 Eastern.[/QUOTE


enjoy it,, I made 28k less this year. We got a 190$ bonus
Old 02-15-2014 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Strange...according to purple drunk and a few others C2012 crushed QOL. Why would reserve now go senior?
Why does reserve go senior? I know. You now can have someone else do the trips you used to have to do. This way you can take a month off and get paid more while guys junior to you fly in your place especially with large buckets and above ALV flying. And if you get a trip throw a fit, because you're supposed to have a month off.

Old 02-15-2014 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Why does reserve go senior? I know. You now can have someone else do the trips you used to have to do. This way you can take a month off and get paid more while guys junior to you fly in your place especially with large buckets and above ALV flying. And if you get a trip throw a fit, because you're supposed to have a month off.

Works for me!
Old 02-15-2014 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
Junglebus..I'm getting the vibe that you're a champion of the "RJ pilots got screwed" and that mainline pilots are enjoying their profit sharing checks "on the backs of poor RJ pilots". As one of the former 1310 DAL furloughees, let me offer a different perspective;

RJ Captains didn't have any problems upgrading in a few years and logging a decades worth of TPIC on the backs of mainline furloughees.

RJ Captains at Comair didn't have any problems cashing Strike Assesment checks as mainline pilots honored their struck work out of CVG and tried to reduce the pay gap by making Comair pilots the highest paid RJ Captains in the industry.

RJ Captains didn't have any problem refusing to allow furloughed mainline pilots to get hired in the RIGHT seat at Comair in exchange of preferred interviews at DAL unless the lists were merged and all scope provisions were eliminated.

RJ Captains didn't have a problem supporting the RJDC to sue mainline ALPA.

RJ Captains didn't have a problem flying to the 121 max for the lowest bidder as long as they got to fly new, bigger turbine aircraft on routes that used to be flown by mainline 737, 727, M88, DC9 pilots.

Rj Captains didn't have any problem flying legacy passengers hub to hub, laying over in FCA, MSO, JAC and then non-revving with their families in first class to Paris while they made an average of $100k a year.

RJ Captains didn't have a problem using their thousands of hours of PIC to shop around for a SWA/JBLU/Frontier/Spirit/Allegiant/Suncountry/ect. job but then enjoy a flow-thru agreement to DAL and get a class date just weeks after our final furloughees get back to the line after a decade without their ID badge.

Sorry Junglebus. You just got hired at Delta, right? You better save the "on the backs of RJ pilots" for APC..'cause it ain't gonna fly when you're talking smack around 15 yr FO's who are still waiting for a chance to move to the left seat.

Here's what I've been doing while you've been an RJ Captain;

DFW 727C, SLC 727B, SLC 73NB..9/11..DFW M90B, CVG M88B, Furlough...Recall, ATL 737B, SLC 737B, SLC M90B, merger..SLC 320B.

Sorry you had it so rough. The pilot shortage and 1500 hr rule are gonna be huge windfalls for any RJ Captain hired on the front of the wave. You won the lottery, but you still want to ***** about having to buy a ticket.
... and who negotiated outsourcing?

The "RJ Pilots" had their careers put on hold, just as you did.

The ASA pilots fought the removal of ALPA's alter ego protections and attempted a merger which would have unified DCI flying with pilots on the Delta list who would have been junior to you. The Delta MEC wanted no part of it.

Both the Delta and the Northwest MECs sold our flying when they traded scope for bargaining credits. Ostensibly the mainline pilots at least got money for the trade.

You, and your friends who like to blame "RJ Pilots" fail to understand who continues to be responsible for the Delta PWA .... Delta pilots.

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Old 02-15-2014 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Why does reserve go senior? I know. You now can have someone else do the trips you used to have to do. This way you can take a month off and get paid more while guys junior to you fly in your place especially with large buckets and above ALV flying. And if you get a trip throw a fit, because you're supposed to have a month off.

So eloquent. . To bad FtB isn't/wasn't our communication chair. How much more fun would that have been instead of buzzard, or duke, or hazard, or whatever his name is.
Old 02-15-2014 | 06:00 PM
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So eloquent. . To bad FtB isn't/wasn't our communication chair. How much more fun would that have been instead of buzzard, or duke, or hazard, or whatever his name is.
Yes. I will run as the DALPA Alternative Communications Chairman.

DALPA ACC. Pronounced, DALPA ASS. Because that's what everyone will call me.
Old 02-15-2014 | 07:09 PM
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Oh, I get it Bar..

It was our fault we were replaced by RJ pilots and subsequently furloughed. And once we were outsourced, we should have merged the RJ drivers onto our list..since they'd be junior to us..and they were already doing our jobs.

And now that the pilot shortage is here and RJ pilots can take their 8000 hrs of TPIC to the highest bidder or just flow thru to DAL..we should feel guilty for cashing our profit sharing checks "on the backs of RJ pilots"

Got it..

Look..I know you play the cards you're dealt. And if the RJ guys got a great hand then that's good for them. I just don't buy "poor me" drivel their selling.
Old 02-15-2014 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
Oh, I get it Bar..

It was our fault we were replaced by RJ pilots and subsequently furloughed. And once we were outsourced, we should have merged the RJ drivers onto our list..since they'd be junior to us..and they were already doing our jobs.

And now that the pilot shortage is here and RJ pilots can take their 8000 hrs of TPIC to the highest bidder or just flow thru to DAL..we should feel guilty for cashing our profit sharing checks "on the backs of RJ pilots"

Got it..
Well yes. You and your friends had the opportunity when DCI was < 8%.

You (and your union leadership) should have stuck to the fundamental principle of a union ... unity.
Old 02-15-2014 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
... and who negotiated outsourcing?

The "RJ Pilots" had their careers put on hold, just as you did.

The ASA pilots fought the removal of ALPA's alter ego protections and attempted a merger which would have unified DCI flying with pilots on the Delta list who would have been junior to you. The Delta MEC wanted no part of it.

Both the Delta and the Northwest MECs sold our flying when they traded scope for bargaining credits. Ostensibly the mainline pilots at least got money for the trade.

You, and your friends who like to blame "RJ Pilots" fail to understand who continues to be responsible for the Delta PWA .... Delta pilots.



Bar,

So the DAL Pilots who were furloughed while RJ pilots were giddy at upgrading in less than 2 years are "at fault?"

Pilots are individuals, most are probably pretty good guys, both mainline and RJ alike, but you do realize that most furloughed DAL guys were busy trying to make a paycheck and not "negotiating" on outsourcing.

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Old 02-15-2014 | 07:41 PM
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Great..got it Bar,

And we were wrong to demonstrate unity and try to improve the pay for Comair pilots when we supported their strike. As a result, we were appropriately punished for our lack of vision and should have expected that the Comair MEC would reject any attempt to help furloughed Delta pilots after 9/11, when it was in fact, our fault all along.

Ygtbsm..
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