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That part may be a bit of improvement, but to me, it is not worth the concession of having to be no more than 2 hours from acknowledgement of an assignment while on long call. And that first-day benefit only benefits you on day one. The within-two-hour-acknowledgement lasts the whole stretch of reserve days. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
As was phrased earlier by Ron, it is like you are on short call while on long call.... always have to be able to acknowledge a trip within two hours of being contacted while on long call. As I said before, you may not even be able to get through a movie and meet that requirement. Forgot your phone while out on the town for dinner while on long call? Well, carpet dance for you. Want to sleep for 8 hours straight with no interruption, oh well. Or [insert any other number of examples here]. That, imho, is a huge reserve concession (as if 30 day summer months, alv+15, 7 short calls weren't bad enough). Not having to respond to or worry about an attempted contact while on long call until 3 hours prior to show is one of the large benefits of being on long call. Now they want to make it 10 hours prior.
The letter states that greater than 12 hours gives you more time to acknowledge, but how do you know how far out it is without having to always be contactable so that you can check and see how far out it is, to know how much time you have to acknowledge... lol?
From Purple:
Seems like it to me.
As was phrased earlier by Ron, it is like you are on short call while on long call.... always have to be able to acknowledge a trip within two hours of being contacted while on long call. As I said before, you may not even be able to get through a movie and meet that requirement. Forgot your phone while out on the town for dinner while on long call? Well, carpet dance for you. Want to sleep for 8 hours straight with no interruption, oh well. Or [insert any other number of examples here]. That, imho, is a huge reserve concession (as if 30 day summer months, alv+15, 7 short calls weren't bad enough). Not having to respond to or worry about an attempted contact while on long call until 3 hours prior to show is one of the large benefits of being on long call. Now they want to make it 10 hours prior.
The letter states that greater than 12 hours gives you more time to acknowledge, but how do you know how far out it is without having to always be contactable so that you can check and see how far out it is, to know how much time you have to acknowledge... lol?
From Purple:
Seems like it to me.
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I see the company calling multiple times prior to the 10hr cutoff to try and get people to acknowledge.
As to 12 noon being the earliest on call I don't think the company can ignore that provision, that is a FAR and restrictive compared to the contract so no matter what we get that.
As to 12 noon being the earliest on call I don't think the company can ignore that provision, that is a FAR and restrictive compared to the contract so no matter what we get that.
+1
I'm sure I'm missing something here, but even with the requirement to acknowledge an assignment within 2 hours, isn't the long call out still 12 hours for long call pilots.
If a trip pops up in the middle of the night won't scheduling just assign it to a short call pilot scheduled on the that day instead of waking up a long call pilot in the middle of the night?
Agains, still digesting it all, but it don't see many changes from our current PWA.
I'm sure I'm missing something here, but even with the requirement to acknowledge an assignment within 2 hours, isn't the long call out still 12 hours for long call pilots.
If a trip pops up in the middle of the night won't scheduling just assign it to a short call pilot scheduled on the that day instead of waking up a long call pilot in the middle of the night?
Agains, still digesting it all, but it don't see many changes from our current PWA.
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Here is your long call obligation. Section 23.S.6
6. A long call pilot who is assigned a rotation or converted to short call:
a. prior to release from a rotation, must acknowledge such assignment or conversion
prior to release.
b. via telephone contact or electronic placement on his schedule on his last non-fly day
(other than a vacation day) before an on-call day, must acknowledge such assignment
or conversion no later than:
1) three hours before the scheduled report of the rotation, or
2) one hour before the scheduled start of the short call period.In a perfect world that would have come out a few hours after the Flight Ops memo. In the real world of union and management collusion and a generally disengaged pilot group, I anticipate yet another concessionary LOA in short order.
I no longer have any faith in our MEC to actually look out for our best interests.
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Yep. I'm well aware of that, as are you apparently. What about the other 11,000 of us? I would expect my union to highlight exactly what you just posted in an email to the entire pilot group AT A MINIMUM....
In a perfect world that would have come out a few hours after the Flight Ops memo. In the real world of union and management collusion and a generally disengaged pilot group, I anticipate yet another concessionary LOA in short order.
I no longer have any faith in our MEC to actually look out for our best interests.
In a perfect world that would have come out a few hours after the Flight Ops memo. In the real world of union and management collusion and a generally disengaged pilot group, I anticipate yet another concessionary LOA in short order.
I no longer have any faith in our MEC to actually look out for our best interests.
I would have at least thought ACL would have said we are aware and are addressing the issue.
80 and FtB might just get their wish for a national championship game. Keep it civil gents. Maybe we should start by a cheerleader comparison
I hear the FTB party starting all the way from here.
Congrats FTB and 80knots! This place will be off the hook for the next month!
I'm already trash texting 80.
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