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Ok. I'm trying to digest this letter on what the company is trying to do with reserve. So, correct me if I'm wrong, does it look like the earliest SC, and earliest report time for a trip, we can be assigned on Day 1 of reserve is 12 noon?
If true, that is a great improvement.
If true, that is a great improvement.
I'm sure I'm missing something here, but even with the requirement to acknowledge an assignment within 2 hours, isn't the long call out still 12 hours for long call pilots.
If a trip pops up in the middle of the night won't scheduling just assign it to a short call pilot scheduled on the that day instead of waking up a long call pilot in the middle of the night?
Agains, still digesting it all, but it don't see many changes from our current PWA.
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Ok. I'm trying to digest this letter on what the company is trying to do with reserve. So, correct me if I'm wrong, does it look like the earliest SC, and earliest report time for a trip, we can be assigned on Day 1 of reserve is 12 noon?
If true, that is a great improvement.
If true, that is a great improvement.
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I've only read it once, but I don't think 117 affects acknowledgement for long call assignments; only acknowledgements for required rest periods prior to a short call (ie, a short call that covers a long haul flight like ATL - JNB).
I think the company wants this new 2 hour acknowledgement of the rest periods for the rare cases it applies, but it seems it would have the effect of hamstringing long haul reserves on long call to a two hour contact window.
It seems to have the potential to significantly impact junior reserve pilots in categories with required rest periods prior to short call; especially those who commute to reserve.
I am very interested if anyone has a different take or better information.
I think the company wants this new 2 hour acknowledgement of the rest periods for the rare cases it applies, but it seems it would have the effect of hamstringing long haul reserves on long call to a two hour contact window.
It seems to have the potential to significantly impact junior reserve pilots in categories with required rest periods prior to short call; especially those who commute to reserve.
I am very interested if anyone has a different take or better information.
Under the contract, you are not required to acknowledge the trip until 3 hours prior. The company has unilaterally stated that you must now acknowledge that trip 10 hours prior to satisfy 117---ostensibly giving you a two hour window in which to acknowledge.
The memo, as I read it, states that a long call pilot cannot go more than two hours without checking his schedule/phone/etc.
Houston, we have a problem.
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Purple Drank,
I looked at it again and you are right. That is a bigger problem. Thank you.
I looked at it again and you are right. That is a bigger problem. Thank you.
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This FAR 117 thing is going to be a defining moment for DALPA.
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I'm sure I'm missing something here, but even with the requirement to acknowledge an assignment within 2 hours, isn't the long call out still 12 hours for long call pilots.
If a trip pops up in the middle of the night won't scheduling just assign it to a short call pilot scheduled on the that day instead of waking up a long call pilot in the middle of the night?
Agains, still digesting it all, but it don't see many changes from our current PWA.
I'm sure I'm missing something here, but even with the requirement to acknowledge an assignment within 2 hours, isn't the long call out still 12 hours for long call pilots.
If a trip pops up in the middle of the night won't scheduling just assign it to a short call pilot scheduled on the that day instead of waking up a long call pilot in the middle of the night?
Agains, still digesting it all, but it don't see many changes from our current PWA.
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Ok. I'm trying to digest this letter on what the company is trying to do with reserve. So, correct me if I'm wrong, does it look like the earliest SC, and earliest report time for a trip, we can be assigned on Day 1 of reserve is 12 noon?
If true, that is a great improvement.
If true, that is a great improvement.
That part may be a bit of improvement, but to me, it is not worth the concession of having to be no more than 2 hours from acknowledgement of an assignment while on long call. And that first-day benefit only benefits you on day one. The within-two-hour-acknowledgement lasts the whole stretch of reserve days. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
As was phrased earlier by Ron, it is like you are on short call while on long call.... always have to be able to acknowledge a trip within two hours of being contacted while on long call. As I said before, you may not even be able to get through a movie and meet that requirement. Forgot your phone while out on the town for dinner while on long call? Well, carpet dance for you. Want to sleep for 8 hours straight with no interruption, oh well. Or [insert any other number of examples here]. That, imho, is a huge reserve concession (as if 30 day summer months, alv+15, 7 short calls weren't bad enough). Not having to respond to or worry about an attempted contact while on long call until 3 hours prior to show is one of the large benefits of being on long call. Now they want to make it 10 hours prior.
The letter states that greater than 12 hours gives you more time to acknowledge, but how do you know how far out it is without having to always be contactable so that you can check and see how far out it is, to know how much time you have to acknowledge... lol?
From Purple:
The memo, as I read it, states that a long call pilot cannot go more than two hours without checking his schedule/phone/etc.
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I disagree. Absent a strongly worded missive from ALPA clarifying exactly what our contractual long call obligations are, we will (as a group) grudgingly acquiesce to this. Call or email your Reps. Without a significant groundswell, I fear we will see yet another QOL item negotiated away by LOA.
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Skeds will leave a strongly-worded message demanding the pilot acknowledge IMMEDIATELY (the script is probably already written) and guys will rush to make it happen.
I flew with a guy last week who thought we got paid until a half-hour after block in, and that's why we should say goodbye to every single pax. I laughed and told him that half-hour is for duty calculations. We don't get paid crap after the beacon's off. He has worked here 20 years.
Do you think he will pay a damn bit of attention to what the contract says? Nope. He's leaning so far forward he's bent over. And he's not alone.
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6. A long call pilot who is assigned a rotation or converted to short call:
a. prior to release from a rotation, must acknowledge such assignment or conversion
prior to release.
b. via telephone contact or electronic placement on his schedule on his last non-fly day
(other than a vacation day) before an on-call day, must acknowledge such assignment
or conversion no later than:
1) three hours before the scheduled report of the rotation, or
2) one hour before the scheduled start of the short call period.Thread
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