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12-07-2013 | 02:33 PM
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A long call pilot that gets called in the middle of the night at 0100 for a 1300 show must now acknowledge the trip NLT 0300, there by interrupting his REM cycle and leading to terrible "rest" prior to the trip. (According to the company, not the contract).
Yeah, something has to give. They are going to have to extend long call to make any sense at all. Trips like this are going to have to go to short calls.
Whatever happens, we need to make sure that DALPA doesn't allow more short call periods. The company already gets too many IMO. "I'm only sitting a couple short calls a month right now so it doesn't matter" you say? Wait until we are experiencing a ton of movement and all the categories look like the -88 does now. Long call will be but a dream...
Looks like the ball is in our court to get some reserve improvements, because this new "policy" doesn't jive with the contract.
Yeah, something has to give. They are going to have to extend long call to make any sense at all. Trips like this are going to have to go to short calls.
Whatever happens, we need to make sure that DALPA doesn't allow more short call periods. The company already gets too many IMO. "I'm only sitting a couple short calls a month right now so it doesn't matter" you say? Wait until we are experiencing a ton of movement and all the categories look like the -88 does now. Long call will be but a dream...
Looks like the ball is in our court to get some reserve improvements, because this new "policy" doesn't jive with the contract.
12-07-2013 | 03:17 PM
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It believe it depends on why the reroute occurred. Was it a mechanical delay? Or weather?
A rerouted reserve pilot who is not scheduled to release within four hours of the scheduled release of the last duty period of his original rotation will receive single pay and credit (or the applicable pay, no credit for a GS, GSWC, IA, or IAWC) for the rotation as flown, plus single pay no credit (in addition to any other form of pay for the bid period) for any duty period that extends beyond such four hour limitation and into either:
a. an X-day, or
b. a regular line day-off.
Exception one: If such rerouted pilot is not scheduled to release at his base within such four hour time limitation due to a circumstance over which the Company does not have control (e.g., pilot's origin or destination airport closed, weather on pilot's routing, mechanical on pilot's assigned aircraft) he will receive only single pay and credit (or the applicable pay, no credit for a GS, GSWC, IA, or IAWC) for the rotation as flown.
A rerouted reserve pilot who is not scheduled to release within four hours of the scheduled release of the last duty period of his original rotation will receive single pay and credit (or the applicable pay, no credit for a GS, GSWC, IA, or IAWC) for the rotation as flown, plus single pay no credit (in addition to any other form of pay for the bid period) for any duty period that extends beyond such four hour limitation and into either:
a. an X-day, or
b. a regular line day-off.
Exception one: If such rerouted pilot is not scheduled to release at his base within such four hour time limitation due to a circumstance over which the Company does not have control (e.g., pilot's origin or destination airport closed, weather on pilot's routing, mechanical on pilot's assigned aircraft) he will receive only single pay and credit (or the applicable pay, no credit for a GS, GSWC, IA, or IAWC) for the rotation as flown.
12-07-2013 | 03:43 PM
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So you are on long call and the company calls you at 2am for a 2pm trip report. You now have to wake up and return the call or go online to acknowledge by 4am. Whereas, before you could just keep your ringer off and call them back at 11am. You are basically on short call continuously. BS.
12-07-2013 | 03:47 PM
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A long call pilot that gets called in the middle of the night at 0100 for a 1300 show must now acknowledge the trip NLT 0300, there by interrupting his REM cycle and leading to terrible "rest" prior to the trip. (According to the company, not the contract).
Yeah, something has to give. They are going to have to extend long call to make any sense at all. Trips like this are going to have to go to short calls.
Whatever happens, we need to make sure that DALPA doesn't allow more short call periods. The company already gets too many IMO. "I'm only sitting a couple short calls a month right now so it doesn't matter" you say? Wait until we are experiencing a ton of movement and all the categories look like the -88 does now. Long call will be but a dream...
Looks like the ball is in our court to get some reserve improvements, because this new "policy" doesn't jive with the contract.
Yeah, something has to give. They are going to have to extend long call to make any sense at all. Trips like this are going to have to go to short calls.
Whatever happens, we need to make sure that DALPA doesn't allow more short call periods. The company already gets too many IMO. "I'm only sitting a couple short calls a month right now so it doesn't matter" you say? Wait until we are experiencing a ton of movement and all the categories look like the -88 does now. Long call will be but a dream...
Looks like the ball is in our court to get some reserve improvements, because this new "policy" doesn't jive with the contract.
12-07-2013 | 04:04 PM
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I've only read it once, but I don't think 117 affects acknowledgement for long call assignments; only acknowledgements for required rest periods prior to a short call (ie, a short call that covers a long haul flight like ATL - JNB).
I think the company wants this new 2 hour acknowledgement of the rest periods for the rare cases it applies, but it seems it would have the effect of hamstringing long haul reserves on long call to a two hour contact window.
It seems to have the potential to significantly impact junior reserve pilots in categories with required rest periods prior to short call; especially those who commute to reserve.
I am very interested if anyone has a different take or better information.
I think the company wants this new 2 hour acknowledgement of the rest periods for the rare cases it applies, but it seems it would have the effect of hamstringing long haul reserves on long call to a two hour contact window.
It seems to have the potential to significantly impact junior reserve pilots in categories with required rest periods prior to short call; especially those who commute to reserve.
I am very interested if anyone has a different take or better information.
12-07-2013 | 04:11 PM
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Ok. I'm trying to digest this letter on what the company is trying to do with reserve. So, correct me if I'm wrong, does it look like the earliest SC, and earliest report time for a trip, we can be assigned on Day 1 of reserve is 12 noon?
If true, that is a great improvement.
If true, that is a great improvement.
12-07-2013 | 04:29 PM
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Ok. I'm trying to digest this letter on what the company is trying to do with reserve. So, correct me if I'm wrong, does it look like the earliest SC, and earliest report time for a trip, we can be assigned on Day 1 of reserve is 12 noon?
If true, that is a great improvement.
If true, that is a great improvement.
I'm sure I'm missing something here, but even with the requirement to acknowledge an assignment within 2 hours, isn't the long call out still 12 hours for long call pilots.
If a trip pops up in the middle of the night won't scheduling just assign it to a short call pilot scheduled on the that day instead of waking up a long call pilot in the middle of the night?
Agains, still digesting it all, but it don't see many changes from our current PWA.
12-07-2013 | 04:30 PM
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Ok. I'm trying to digest this letter on what the company is trying to do with reserve. So, correct me if I'm wrong, does it look like the earliest SC, and earliest report time for a trip, we can be assigned on Day 1 of reserve is 12 noon?
If true, that is a great improvement.
If true, that is a great improvement.
12-07-2013 | 04:32 PM
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I've only read it once, but I don't think 117 affects acknowledgement for long call assignments; only acknowledgements for required rest periods prior to a short call (ie, a short call that covers a long haul flight like ATL - JNB).
I think the company wants this new 2 hour acknowledgement of the rest periods for the rare cases it applies, but it seems it would have the effect of hamstringing long haul reserves on long call to a two hour contact window.
It seems to have the potential to significantly impact junior reserve pilots in categories with required rest periods prior to short call; especially those who commute to reserve.
I am very interested if anyone has a different take or better information.
I think the company wants this new 2 hour acknowledgement of the rest periods for the rare cases it applies, but it seems it would have the effect of hamstringing long haul reserves on long call to a two hour contact window.
It seems to have the potential to significantly impact junior reserve pilots in categories with required rest periods prior to short call; especially those who commute to reserve.
I am very interested if anyone has a different take or better information.
Under the contract, you are not required to acknowledge the trip until 3 hours prior. The company has unilaterally stated that you must now acknowledge that trip 10 hours prior to satisfy 117---ostensibly giving you a two hour window in which to acknowledge.
The memo, as I read it, states that a long call pilot cannot go more than two hours without checking his schedule/phone/etc.
Houston, we have a problem.
12-07-2013 | 04:51 PM
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Purple Drank,
I looked at it again and you are right. That is a bigger problem. Thank you.
I looked at it again and you are right. That is a bigger problem. Thank you.
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