Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Fact is that the 777 is one that I have felt they would order. I see us getting the 777-300 in the next year to two.
I see them finding a replacement for the lower end of the narrow body range. They could do something quick, but my feeling is that we would see new metal in the 2013-2015 time frame. We may be able to extend that, but doing so would put DAL in a position of needed to replace the majority on the narrow body and a good chunk of wide body jets from 2018-2030. It is better to out lay that expenditure over two decades, and not one.
I see them finding a replacement for the lower end of the narrow body range. They could do something quick, but my feeling is that we would see new metal in the 2013-2015 time frame. We may be able to extend that, but doing so would put DAL in a position of needed to replace the majority on the narrow body and a good chunk of wide body jets from 2018-2030. It is better to out lay that expenditure over two decades, and not one.
You're thinking strategically and logically. Though I agree that our managment is better than most, do you actually think they're planning 10-20 years into the future? To what gain is that to them? I would be amazed if the expanded business model is much past 3-5 years. Unless RA is planning on becoming the future CEO of Boeing I don't see long term thinking. Just my thoughts...but what do I know???
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Kind of like the 757-200. I don't know who would order the -100 version of the thing, unless they needed a "special performance" version, which Bombardier is offering. Of course the -130 has much longer range and a much larger cabin than the CRJ derivative.
Jets have a two year lead time, so if we are thinking of taking delivery in the 2012 to 2013 time frame, then it is the right time to place orders.
During this election season there is a lot of tough talk on scope. At the same time Delta could sure use a few more large RJ's to use as an inducement to DCI operators to open contracts and park 50 seaters. As ACL65 points out, the operational costs are similar to our prospective new jets (and cheaper than our old outdated mainline equipment). Add to the mix the cash that SkyWest and Republic have to "invest" in new "Delta" equipment and the fact that our MEC is denying knowledge of any "new orders" .. .. well, I'll just say that no mainline orders are bad news.
I still wish we were working on capturing the E175 and not working on divesting their pilots from our representative body.
I fear this fight is going to again be brought to our doorstep.
Folks please attend and participate in the election process in your Local Councils. It is important to elect someone who will represent your interests.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 09-23-2009 at 08:05 PM.
Can't abide NAI
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ACL,
You're thinking strategically and logically. Though I agree that our managment is better than most, do you actually think they're planning 10-20 years into the future? To what gain is that to them? I would be amazed if the expanded business model is much past 3-5 years.
You're thinking strategically and logically. Though I agree that our managment is better than most, do you actually think they're planning 10-20 years into the future? To what gain is that to them? I would be amazed if the expanded business model is much past 3-5 years.
With outside vendors they are much more likely to order the flavor of the day.
My guess is that it has to do with the cost of mainline jets and the length of payment obligations. Conversely many third party vendors of lift services will sign very short term lease deals and generally, those obligations are not on Delta's bottom line.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 09-24-2009 at 01:00 PM.
Agree on the fundamentals. Scheduling will do evertything possible to fill seats before going to premium pay including bringing in reserves from out of base. They call GS just before IA's so what can be said is guys putting in white slips hurts everyone. If no one white slipped then more people would enjoy some greenies. Truth is guys keep saying that because of the pay givebacks they need to fill their schedule to pay their bills. I can understand that. We throw ourselves under the bus.
Please understand that I personally am not affected by these decisions, I'm only trying to help the guys that are affected.
My last post on this matter.
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During this election season there is a lot of tough talk on scope. At the same time Delta could sure use a few more large RJ's to use as an inducement to DCI operators to open contracts and park 50 seaters.... Folks please attend and participate in the election process in your Local Councils. It is important to elect someone who will represent your interests.
I agree that it's important to participate and elect someone who will represent pilot interests, not someone who will pander. I can't wait to hear candidates take an APA stand (C2K+30%, scope, etc.) and then listen how they're going to deliver that package!
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I too understand this. It is, and always has been, a fact of airline life. I was not trying to demean any one individual, just trying to open some eyes. WAY back when I was a junior guy, there was a choice to be made, do we take a pay cut, or allow the company to furlough some of the bottom guys. I flew with a LOT of CA's who said "screw 'em, just don't cut my pay". It's easy to say, "just because I fly a few extra hours each month, no harm can come of it". Unfortunately, A FEW EXTRA HOURS X 12,400 translates into no flying for the bottom guys.
Please understand that I personally am not affected by these decisions, I'm only trying to help the guys that are affected.
My last post on this matter.
Please understand that I personally am not affected by these decisions, I'm only trying to help the guys that are affected.
My last post on this matter.
Now if your talking about picking up open time with furloughed guys on the street, then your talking somehing completely different. I don't think you can compare the two scenarios in anyway.
Anyway you look at it the junior reserve pilots are the buffer to keep the machine going when the crap hits the fan. The company is on the heavy side with pilot staffing anyway, so it's natural to see alot of junior guys sitting at home.
On the bright side it gives us something to complain about on APC.
Delta doesn't need an inducement for DCI operators to open contracts. The wholly owned have no contracts, and they're shrinking rapidly. The contract DCI operators have prorate resets built into them, and Skywest/ASA is feeling that pinch right now. There is no way they'll be able to meet their cost goals, so they will lose flying.
I agree that it's important to participate and elect someone who will represent pilot interests, not someone who will pander. I can't wait to hear candidates take an APA stand (C2K+30%, scope, etc.) and then listen how they're going to deliver that package!
I agree that it's important to participate and elect someone who will represent pilot interests, not someone who will pander. I can't wait to hear candidates take an APA stand (C2K+30%, scope, etc.) and then listen how they're going to deliver that package!
Who's sitting around? I get used every reserve block. Flew three trips this month, TLV, NCE, and FRA. The only reason I didn't get a fourth was I was 11 hours short of ALV and nothing in the bid package is less than 11+40. I like sitting around. I like days off. It ain't all about the money to me.
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Last edited by satchip; 09-24-2009 at 03:57 AM. Reason: clarification
I too understand this. It is, and always has been, a fact of airline life. I was not trying to demean any one individual, just trying to open some eyes. WAY back when I was a junior guy, there was a choice to be made, do we take a pay cut, or allow the company to furlough some of the bottom guys. I flew with a LOT of CA's who said "screw 'em, just don't cut my pay". It's easy to say, "just because I fly a few extra hours each month, no harm can come of it". Unfortunately, A FEW EXTRA HOURS X 12,400 translates into no flying for the bottom guys.
Please understand that I personally am not affected by these decisions, I'm only trying to help the guys that are affected.
My last post on this matter.
Please understand that I personally am not affected by these decisions, I'm only trying to help the guys that are affected.
My last post on this matter.
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Who's sitting around? I get used every reserve block. Flew three trips this month, TLV, NCE, and FRA. The only reason I didn't get a fourth was I was 11 hours short of ALV and nothing in the bid package is less than 11+40. I like sitting around. I like days off. It ain't all about the money to me.
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