Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-04-2014 | 06:53 AM
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I stopped by the DTW pilot meeting yesterday. The 717 discussion was interesting, a couple of take aways:
They will expand DTW 717 later this year. They don't want deliveries to outpace crew training, or crew training to outpace deliveries
They aren't necessarily going to operate the 717 as a DC-9 replacement. (Ie, hub to nearby out stations and back). The trips sounded a lot like the E175 discussion we had a few pages back.
Other bases beyond DTW, MSP, and ATL are possible, depends on what network wants. Sounded like there could be a NYC base and a west coast base.
They will expand DTW 717 later this year. They don't want deliveries to outpace crew training, or crew training to outpace deliveries
They aren't necessarily going to operate the 717 as a DC-9 replacement. (Ie, hub to nearby out stations and back). The trips sounded a lot like the E175 discussion we had a few pages back.
Other bases beyond DTW, MSP, and ATL are possible, depends on what network wants. Sounded like there could be a NYC base and a west coast base.
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03-04-2014 | 06:53 AM
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03-04-2014 | 07:07 AM
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03-04-2014 | 07:08 AM
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BB,
I think we both can agree that we're on board with unity. I think we can also agree that our father's service to aviation is admirable and noteworthy. My dad served 33 years in the Air Force, flew in Vietnam, logged 15,000 hours and retired as a two-star. He's a pretty cool dude too. That's why I do what I do. Not really relevant to what's happening today at Delta.
Let's get back to the point. There are no "thank you's" owed from former DAL furloughees to those hired after the fact. None. And the fact that some, not you, but some are beeyatching about the furloughed guys coming back into positions that their contractually-guaranteed agreement offers them is reprehensible. Seniority is seniority. That's not an emotive concept. I just lost four positions in LA. You know what, right on. They deserve it, as did I in 2008.
Your father may have been furloughed and had company's change. I know it affected your family. I was furloughed, understood it, and moved on. It affected mine as well. Negatively, trust me.
My point is yours. We must go forward in a solidly unified manner. I don't know who you are, I assume you can gather from my user name who I am. Your peers gained from the after affects of 9/11. Mine suffered.
I think we're of a like mind here. But, please, don't try to paint those DAL/NWA furloughees with the same brush as the guys flying regionals and gaining all of that flying because of their loss. Its not accurate and its an insult.
Buzz
I think we both can agree that we're on board with unity. I think we can also agree that our father's service to aviation is admirable and noteworthy. My dad served 33 years in the Air Force, flew in Vietnam, logged 15,000 hours and retired as a two-star. He's a pretty cool dude too. That's why I do what I do. Not really relevant to what's happening today at Delta.
Let's get back to the point. There are no "thank you's" owed from former DAL furloughees to those hired after the fact. None. And the fact that some, not you, but some are beeyatching about the furloughed guys coming back into positions that their contractually-guaranteed agreement offers them is reprehensible. Seniority is seniority. That's not an emotive concept. I just lost four positions in LA. You know what, right on. They deserve it, as did I in 2008.
Your father may have been furloughed and had company's change. I know it affected your family. I was furloughed, understood it, and moved on. It affected mine as well. Negatively, trust me.
My point is yours. We must go forward in a solidly unified manner. I don't know who you are, I assume you can gather from my user name who I am. Your peers gained from the after affects of 9/11. Mine suffered.
I think we're of a like mind here. But, please, don't try to paint those DAL/NWA furloughees with the same brush as the guys flying regionals and gaining all of that flying because of their loss. Its not accurate and its an insult.
Buzz
03-04-2014 | 07:25 AM
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This is absolutely the future. With the improvements in aircraft technologies (automation, ground based flying abilities, etc..), the perceived shortage of pilots, and the airlines ability to save pilots costs (MPL's would surely be paid less) it becomes the perfect storm of pressure on the government to make regulatory changes to existing FAR's to make this happen. The public will buy into it because most people already think that the captain is the only one that fly's the airplane so what's the difference between a "co-pilot" and an MPL crew member?
It's inevitable and I don't think that any union can really stop it.
It's inevitable and I don't think that any union can really stop it.
Why revisit this tragic event? Because it demonstrates the necessity for BOTH pilots to handle any unforseen emergencies, even at cruise. In fact, the "full back stick" input from the PF was probably indicative of what a MPL may do when presented with a similar situation and relies only upon systems knowledge, 3 sims and the false sense of security that you can't stall an Airbus. It wasn't until the Capt got back in the cockpit and asked "***" in his best French, that the PF responded, "we don't know, I've had the stick all the way back the whole time". Only then did they realize what was happening, and unfortunately, it was too late.
Add in the security threat, fatigue management, CRM and the historically low mishap rate, and we have plenty of ammunition to shoot down MPL.
One hull loss would would nullify any cost savings generated by MPL! give lawyers in the U.S. a field day, and open criminal proceedings in the E.U.
Nobody wants to see that..
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03-04-2014 | 07:27 AM
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If the MPL pilots are ever to upgrade to FO, where and when will they learn to takeoff and land?
03-04-2014 | 07:34 AM
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+1310, Buzz!
03-04-2014 | 07:44 AM
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I stopped by the DTW pilot meeting yesterday. The 717 discussion was interesting, a couple of take aways:
They will expand DTW 717 later this year. They don't want deliveries to outpace crew training, or crew training to outpace deliveries
They aren't necessarily going to operate the 717 as a DC-9 replacement. (Ie, hub to nearby out stations and back). The trips sounded a lot like the E175 discussion we had a few pages back.
Other bases beyond DTW, MSP, and ATL are possible, depends on what network wants. Sounded like there could be a NYC base and a west coast base.
They will expand DTW 717 later this year. They don't want deliveries to outpace crew training, or crew training to outpace deliveries
They aren't necessarily going to operate the 717 as a DC-9 replacement. (Ie, hub to nearby out stations and back). The trips sounded a lot like the E175 discussion we had a few pages back.
Other bases beyond DTW, MSP, and ATL are possible, depends on what network wants. Sounded like there could be a NYC base and a west coast base.
03-04-2014 | 07:44 AM
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B.Bar, thanks for the info on the MPL.
Sounds disgusting, but A4A would LOVE it, no doubt!
"What pilot shortage? We'll just take all those UAV kids from the Military and put them in a cockpit!"
03-04-2014 | 07:49 AM
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