Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
Exactly. This isn't about the home team or American jobs, this is about soft fascism at its finest. Boeing is not going away, with or without government welfare for foreign airlines using our own petro dollars to threaten us to subsidize them as they try and yank an entire industry out from under us.
Boeing is nads deep in the extremely bloated global police state "defense" industry as well. They aren't going anywhere. They aren't just too big to fail, they're too big to flush.
As for Ford/Chevy vs Honda/Toyota, which is more "American", a Ford made largely in Mexico, a Chevy made in Canada, or a Honda made in Indiana or a Toyota made in Kentucky?
Boeing is outsourcing tons of jobs to foreign countries, and Airbus is opening plants in the US.
Yet the shieks keep bribing us with our own money and we keep falling for it.
Its far beyond time to close the "Bank of Boeing".
Boeing is nads deep in the extremely bloated global police state "defense" industry as well. They aren't going anywhere. They aren't just too big to fail, they're too big to flush.
As for Ford/Chevy vs Honda/Toyota, which is more "American", a Ford made largely in Mexico, a Chevy made in Canada, or a Honda made in Indiana or a Toyota made in Kentucky?
Boeing is outsourcing tons of jobs to foreign countries, and Airbus is opening plants in the US.
Yet the shieks keep bribing us with our own money and we keep falling for it.
Its far beyond time to close the "Bank of Boeing".
Did they say why? I've flown em' both, generally prefer Boeing from a pilots perspective, but mission, lifestyle, and pay come first, and there is nothing on the Airbus I consider no-go. 330 flying is probably best in the airline if you like international.
But I like MD's too, so you know I'm a cheap date
But I like MD's too, so you know I'm a cheap date

And re-reading my post, I probably said something I should not have said, but I want to explain that comment. I said it was an unsafe design, and that was bad verbiage. To me, it seems to be a great design for a single pilot operation. For the last almost 30 years of my flying career, I have had secondary inputs from the airplane which IMHO are very important when you have another idiot sitting next to you that can change things without your knowledge. Frozen throttles, joysticks that are not interconnected AND out of easy view of the other pilot are a couple of things that (IMO) remove that safeguard.
The other points you raised are the very same issues with, and why I am not interested in flying either the 777 or 747. I still love flying the airplane, and I still love going places. Neither of those missions interest me, and you never get to fly. While the 330 is not in THAT category, for me it comes down to the airplane. It's just not for me. So for all you guys junior to me, you moved up a number as far as holding captain on it, so you should be encouraging more old farts like me to stay off of it.... Unless the rope burns me off thru retirements of 757s, it will be a cold day in Alabama before I learn to speak french.
Having been a LCA on both Boeing and Airbus, I have found that guy's/gal's prefer whichever one they first checked out on. By the way T, the retard call is a reminder not a command. If you Boeing guy's learn the auto throttle properly, you will never hear it. Go Wichita State, Oooops, they just lost. There goes my $billion
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Screw the EX-IM bank, and those foreign entities that benefit from it.
Here comes the supply and demand curve.
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I don't dispute your point here. My input to this particular argument has only one focus: That being whom I would rather see go out of business... DAL or BA. I would much rather see BA go out of business. The secondary issue is whether I believe BA is any danger of that. Absolutely not, because they do lots more than build commercial airplanes. It is up to them to produce a better product than airbus, and I believe that in many ways they do, but they also have to be price competitive. The market will determine that IF, the market is allowed to function. When Boeing gets subsidies from both another country's government AND OURS, it's not a fair market, and it is not Boeing that is ultimately being harmed. Frankly, I am surprised they can get away with it fro a legal perspective. (disclaimer: not a lawyer and not in H.I. Express) So to your last point, if the US Government were to ever get over itself, and support US businesses, those low interest loans would be available to American companies as well as government supported sand fleas. And I say all of this from the perspective of a guy that would rather sell crack than fly an airbus.
I really don't think Boeing is ever going out of business in regards to it's BCA division. The logbook is way too big and the problem is the initial costs when there's a new product rollout like the 787. The 777X will be much less burdensome on the company.
So, as soon as fixed costs for the 787 development ease themselves out of the mix and net profit margins increase, it's business as usual.
The trick is how much cash flow does the company have until they're out of the jam until that happens? I am guessing they'll be A-OK.
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I'd take narrow body F/O at Delta over foreign carrier 777 CA. I work for a great company and I'm a member of a great union. I'll admit I've got some concerns for Delta and Alpa in regards to an uneven playing field internationally; but I'm not going to be fired unless I do something criminal and my view is that liberty trumps money.
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