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Old 03-24-2014 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Exactly. This isn't about the home team or American jobs, this is about soft fascism at its finest. Boeing is not going away, with or without government welfare for foreign airlines using our own petro dollars to threaten us to subsidize them as they try and yank an entire industry out from under us.

Boeing is nads deep in the extremely bloated global police state "defense" industry as well. They aren't going anywhere. They aren't just too big to fail, they're too big to flush.

As for Ford/Chevy vs Honda/Toyota, which is more "American", a Ford made largely in Mexico, a Chevy made in Canada, or a Honda made in Indiana or a Toyota made in Kentucky?

Boeing is outsourcing tons of jobs to foreign countries, and Airbus is opening plants in the US.

Yet the shieks keep bribing us with our own money and we keep falling for it.

Its far beyond time to close the "Bank of Boeing".
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Old 03-24-2014 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
Did they say why? I've flown em' both, generally prefer Boeing from a pilots perspective, but mission, lifestyle, and pay come first, and there is nothing on the Airbus I consider no-go. 330 flying is probably best in the airline if you like international.

But I like MD's too, so you know I'm a cheap date
I think you hit on the crux of the opinion. The ones that didn't like the airplane, didn't like it from a pilots' perspective. One said "I'll tell you everything I like about the Airbus... It's a comfortable cockpit"..... that was it. That was all he liked about it. The other one didn't say, other than to say it was a mistake and he would bid off as soon as he could.

And re-reading my post, I probably said something I should not have said, but I want to explain that comment. I said it was an unsafe design, and that was bad verbiage. To me, it seems to be a great design for a single pilot operation. For the last almost 30 years of my flying career, I have had secondary inputs from the airplane which IMHO are very important when you have another idiot sitting next to you that can change things without your knowledge. Frozen throttles, joysticks that are not interconnected AND out of easy view of the other pilot are a couple of things that (IMO) remove that safeguard.

The other points you raised are the very same issues with, and why I am not interested in flying either the 777 or 747. I still love flying the airplane, and I still love going places. Neither of those missions interest me, and you never get to fly. While the 330 is not in THAT category, for me it comes down to the airplane. It's just not for me. So for all you guys junior to me, you moved up a number as far as holding captain on it, so you should be encouraging more old farts like me to stay off of it.... Unless the rope burns me off thru retirements of 757s, it will be a cold day in Alabama before I learn to speak french.
Old 03-24-2014 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by maddogmax
Having been a LCA on both Boeing and Airbus, I have found that guy's/gal's prefer whichever one they first checked out on. By the way T, the retard call is a reminder not a command. If you Boeing guy's learn the auto throttle properly, you will never hear it. Go Wichita State, Oooops, they just lost. There goes my $billion
How come it doesn't "remind" you to flare? Or raise the gear? It's creepy and annoying. Where's the CB? And I turn autothrottles off on most of my landings... or is it autothrust?

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Old 03-24-2014 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
If Boeing is going to go out of business because the EX-IM is not renewed, I still vote us. Boeing will be rescued and hopefully fixed.
I have no idea what all this doom and gloom about Boeing is all about. Their stock is doing well, and they are solidly profitable. Strip off the commercial aircraft division, and I'll bet they STILL make money.

Screw the EX-IM bank, and those foreign entities that benefit from it.
Old 03-24-2014 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
Much better return on selling crack than flying any aircraft! Possible benefits are all inclusive resort via your local law enforcement.
Might be a good retirement plan is the gubbamint steals mine.

3 hots and a cot, and whose gonna mess with an 85 year old man?
Old 03-24-2014 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I don't think you will see the larger Mid East carriers go that route. They like to maintain absolute control over their employees. They will not see a real shortage of applicants and if they do they will pay more.
Correct on the ME carriers. Asian carriers have already started.

Here comes the supply and demand curve.
Old 03-24-2014 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I don't dispute your point here. My input to this particular argument has only one focus: That being whom I would rather see go out of business... DAL or BA. I would much rather see BA go out of business. The secondary issue is whether I believe BA is any danger of that. Absolutely not, because they do lots more than build commercial airplanes. It is up to them to produce a better product than airbus, and I believe that in many ways they do, but they also have to be price competitive. The market will determine that IF, the market is allowed to function. When Boeing gets subsidies from both another country's government AND OURS, it's not a fair market, and it is not Boeing that is ultimately being harmed. Frankly, I am surprised they can get away with it fro a legal perspective. (disclaimer: not a lawyer and not in H.I. Express) So to your last point, if the US Government were to ever get over itself, and support US businesses, those low interest loans would be available to American companies as well as government supported sand fleas. And I say all of this from the perspective of a guy that would rather sell crack than fly an airbus.
Oh, that wasn't meant for you specifically, I just used your post as an incentive to write.

I really don't think Boeing is ever going out of business in regards to it's BCA division. The logbook is way too big and the problem is the initial costs when there's a new product rollout like the 787. The 777X will be much less burdensome on the company.

So, as soon as fixed costs for the 787 development ease themselves out of the mix and net profit margins increase, it's business as usual.

The trick is how much cash flow does the company have until they're out of the jam until that happens? I am guessing they'll be A-OK.
Old 03-24-2014 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
How come it doesn't "remind" you to flare? Or raise the gear? It's creepy and annoying. Where's the CB? And I turn autothrottles off on most of my landings... or is it autothrust?
I think I need to get you a Rosseta Stone course for French!
Old 03-24-2014 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by maddogmax
I think I need to get you a Rosseta Stone course for French!
short answer: no
long answer : hell no
Old 03-24-2014 | 08:30 AM
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I'd take narrow body F/O at Delta over foreign carrier 777 CA. I work for a great company and I'm a member of a great union. I'll admit I've got some concerns for Delta and Alpa in regards to an uneven playing field internationally; but I'm not going to be fired unless I do something criminal and my view is that liberty trumps money.
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