Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-25-2014 | 06:37 AM
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03-25-2014 | 06:38 AM
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The GS system definitely favors seniority in category, but as others have mentioned on here, it is more affected by your bidding strategy. The senior guys get more GS's because they are more likely to be OFF when GS's are flowing. All other things equal, the junior guy has to get his G#1 before the senior guy gets G#2.
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03-25-2014 | 06:55 AM
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We've already pretty much done everything the flitehoes require. There is no cap, and they can get around max pick-up, and up to FAR's. They can turn tricks all day long. Before work, they can spin from the pole, do a little lap dance, and go to the back room to perform some more. On the way home, they can get bam-chica-bam in a back-alley, if they so desire. They can grab work off the open time, and play swapping games with their friends. But evidently, there is no satiating their appetites. Now they want everyone else's money?
Flitehoes would have us take negotiating capital, and instead of improving payrates for all, steer it to themselves? Special status to elevate their professional skills, at the expense of everyone else? Make no mistake about it: an argument for 1.5 > 80 isn't an argument to help all Delta pilots bring more of the bacon home, it's an attempt to steer benefits away from the pilot group in general, to a specific group.
How about: NFW?
You want to fly more, fly more. Meanwhile, how about helping us get higher earnings across the board?
03-25-2014 | 07:05 AM
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Nah... I am not that paranoid. But it's a 7 day trip with overnights in some of those graden spots where Ebola was reported. No desire to take any chances with crap like that. You got to pay me a lot of 'hazard pay' to go poke around stuff like that. This Ebola outbreak might go either way- contained or out of control. Keeping an eye on it and doing my due diligence. 73N is looking pretty good right now! 
03-25-2014 | 07:13 AM
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Great idea!!! Let's get rid of the ALV+15 limit while we're at it and let everyone fly to the FAR's!
Except for those benefiting from it, most pilots did not like Trip Parking. What you're proposing would be far more detrimental than that, or any of the other work rules that have gone bye-bye over the years. I MIGHT be able to get behind 1.5 over 80 (I was fnwa btw, as I assume you are on the 744) but it would have to come with a cap - not limited solely by FAR's. 80 is just too high of a premium trigger, and would incentivize far too many of us to help Delta reduce our headcount.
The point is, there is a balance to be struck, and we will naturally all have our personal opinions on it. After the stagnation of the past decade+ I have little interest in anything that will further reduce Delta's staffing requirements.
The GS system definitely favors seniority in category, but as others have mentioned on here, it is more affected by your bidding strategy. The senior guys get more GS's because they are more likely to be OFF when GS's are flowing. All other things equal, the junior guy has to get his G#1 before the senior guy gets G#2.
If a pilot chooses not to chase the bigger payrate for better seniority in-category, he benefits by having better bidding options and the ability to set himself up for more GS's. He also has the option to bid up a category for the higher payrate, but probably fewer pay hours in a given year... If you say we shouldn't limit ourselves at all, then option #2 gets pushed back even further. IMO, after seeing both ways of doing things, I don't want to go back to 1.5 over 80. The current system seems to un-stovepipe things a little bit more, creating more options for guys vertically throughout the list.
Nobody is telling you how much you can make. I'd argue that if you live in base and know how to game the system you could make more as a senior NB FO rather than sitting wherever you do on the whale. We have 73NB's making more than the A's they fly with. There are plenty of ways to skin the cat...
Except for those benefiting from it, most pilots did not like Trip Parking. What you're proposing would be far more detrimental than that, or any of the other work rules that have gone bye-bye over the years. I MIGHT be able to get behind 1.5 over 80 (I was fnwa btw, as I assume you are on the 744) but it would have to come with a cap - not limited solely by FAR's. 80 is just too high of a premium trigger, and would incentivize far too many of us to help Delta reduce our headcount.
The point is, there is a balance to be struck, and we will naturally all have our personal opinions on it. After the stagnation of the past decade+ I have little interest in anything that will further reduce Delta's staffing requirements.
The GS system definitely favors seniority in category, but as others have mentioned on here, it is more affected by your bidding strategy. The senior guys get more GS's because they are more likely to be OFF when GS's are flowing. All other things equal, the junior guy has to get his G#1 before the senior guy gets G#2.
If a pilot chooses not to chase the bigger payrate for better seniority in-category, he benefits by having better bidding options and the ability to set himself up for more GS's. He also has the option to bid up a category for the higher payrate, but probably fewer pay hours in a given year... If you say we shouldn't limit ourselves at all, then option #2 gets pushed back even further. IMO, after seeing both ways of doing things, I don't want to go back to 1.5 over 80. The current system seems to un-stovepipe things a little bit more, creating more options for guys vertically throughout the list.
Nobody is telling you how much you can make. I'd argue that if you live in base and know how to game the system you could make more as a senior NB FO rather than sitting wherever you do on the whale. We have 73NB's making more than the A's they fly with. There are plenty of ways to skin the cat...
On the surface, there is a certain appeal to the simple argument "1.5>80", especially when guys are jealous about pilots getting GS (which are designed to reward an exception). That's about it. Once you start scratching the veneer, this is obviously a attempted robbery.
03-25-2014 | 07:17 AM
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For the record, while I vehemently oppose 1.5>80, I haven't flown a GS in about 8 yrs.
03-25-2014 | 07:26 AM
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I'm sure you're a good person, so I'm not attacking the person, but certainly I am attacking your argument. It's 100% wrong.
We've already pretty much done everything the flitehoes require. There is no cap, and they can get around max pick-up, and up to FAR's. They can turn tricks all day long. Before work, they can spin from the pole, do a little lap dance, and go to the back room to perform some more. On the way home, they can get bam-chica-bam in a back-alley, if they so desire. They can grab work off the open time, and play swapping games with their friends. But evidently, there is no satiating their appetites. Now they want everyone else's money?
Flitehoes would have us take negotiating capital, and instead of improving payrates for all, steer it to themselves? Special status to elevate their professional skills, at the expense of everyone else? Make no mistake about it: an argument for 1.5 > 80 isn't an argument to help all Delta pilots bring more of the bacon home, it's an attempt to steer benefits away from the pilot group in general, to a specific group.
How about: NFW?
You want to fly more, fly more. Meanwhile, how about helping us get higher earnings across the board?
We've already pretty much done everything the flitehoes require. There is no cap, and they can get around max pick-up, and up to FAR's. They can turn tricks all day long. Before work, they can spin from the pole, do a little lap dance, and go to the back room to perform some more. On the way home, they can get bam-chica-bam in a back-alley, if they so desire. They can grab work off the open time, and play swapping games with their friends. But evidently, there is no satiating their appetites. Now they want everyone else's money?
Flitehoes would have us take negotiating capital, and instead of improving payrates for all, steer it to themselves? Special status to elevate their professional skills, at the expense of everyone else? Make no mistake about it: an argument for 1.5 > 80 isn't an argument to help all Delta pilots bring more of the bacon home, it's an attempt to steer benefits away from the pilot group in general, to a specific group.
How about: NFW?
You want to fly more, fly more. Meanwhile, how about helping us get higher earnings across the board?
I'm all for higher earnings for all, but I don't see how the system could be anymore skewed than it already is for those willing to "play the games" with greenslips. Got some ER FO's making over 250K while other, more senior ones who can't/won't do the last minute greenslips make over 100K less. Obviously, I would prefer we all get a 50% raise and eliminate any premium pay but I think some premium over some number would spread the wealth a lot better than the current system.
03-25-2014 | 07:27 AM
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I would like to see OOBWS moved up the ladder a notch and placed ahead of long call reserves. Would also like to open up picking up out of base off the swap board after a trip remains there long enough. I think the F/A's just got this option.
03-25-2014 | 07:37 AM
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Nah... I am not that paranoid. But it's a 7 day trip with overnights in some of those graden spots where Ebola was reported. No desire to take any chances with crap like that. You got to pay me a lot of 'hazard pay' to go poke around stuff like that. This Ebola outbreak might go either way- contained or out of control. Keeping an eye on it and doing my due diligence. 73N is looking pretty good right now!
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