I guess you missed all the letters put out on the subject. They are going to protect all the pilots involved. A choice was made that the fastest way to get the pilots paid was through the 117 negotiations. If there is not a successful outcome to that then a grievance will be filed around 1 May. We should prevail in that but it's not a slam dunk. If we win the grievance then long call reserve ceases to exist at Delta and they will have to use short calls and massive reroutes to cover the flying. If we lose the companies interpretation becomes law.

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04-19-2014 | 06:12 AM

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If there is not a successful outcome to that then a grievance will be filed around 1 May. We should prevail in that but it's not a slam dunk. .

That's the first I've heard of a May 1 deadline. Good to know.
I think contract law is pretty clear on the subject. We will no longer have a long call. The company will just have to cover their trips with short calls, green slips and reroutes.

04-19-2014 | 06:15 AM

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Tear tattoos? Might want to read up on what they usually mean.

"Originally placed in prison to signify that the bearer was owned by a fellow prisoner. In prison terms "there *****." (sic) The tear drop signifies that pain and humiliation one would feel after being "turned out" in prison. The tattoo is placed on the face to further humiliate the victim and mark them in a place where they could not cover the mark." Urban Dictionary

I vote against tattoo tears. Fanny packs... not so much. We could chew on tooth pics since they don't make candy cigarettes anymore.

04-19-2014 | 06:17 AM

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The deadline is driven by the contractual requirements in filing a grievance.

04-19-2014 | 06:22 AM

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If we win long call would exist only on a strictly volunteer basis. The company lawyers feel they have grounds to prevail. I don't feel that is the case but there is a chance they could win. Call your reps for details.

04-19-2014 | 06:48 AM

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If we win the grievance then long call reserve ceases to exist at Delta and they will have to use short calls and massive reroutes to cover the flying. If we lose the companies interpretation becomes law.

This is starting to sound like a case of "be careful what you ask for". If what you say is true, then our reserve will be like American's, meaning all reserves are on short call. That sucks. period.

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Who would then be the "volunteer"? The pilot, or the company?

04-19-2014 | 06:57 AM

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And I have been around long enough to know that because something appears to be a slam dunk, it doesn't mean it will turn out that way. One only has to look back at a couple of our vacation grievances, AA's hard clad language with regard to their seniority list vs American Eagle flying as examples.

It seems like a lot of the neutrals tend to avoid extreme decisions in cases like these and I could see him splitting the baby somehow. An example would be the furlough grievance. Yes, they had to recall but only 10 a month.

04-19-2014 | 07:08 AM

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This is starting to sound like a case of "be careful what you ask for". If what you say is true, then our reserve will be like American's, meaning all reserves are on short call. That sucks. period.

Who would then be the "volunteer"? The pilot, or the company?

We have a limit of 6 or 7 shortcalls a month. That would not change. Once a reserve was out in the system however I would expect the company would keep him out there via reroutes for a long time.

The pilot would have to acknowledge a long call assignment 10 hours prior to be legal for the trip. That would be voluntary per the contract.

04-19-2014 | 07:18 AM

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. Once a reserve was out in the system however I would expect the company would keep him out there via reroutes for a long time.

I bet the company is gunning hard to increase the 3 days minimum on-call period in domestic categories, for exactly this reason.

If the company wants to run reserves via reroute, It would certainly be cumbersome for crew tracking to ensure a domestic guy stays out of his base to avoid having to release him...

04-19-2014 | 07:31 AM

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Stupid question for those of you with higher math skills! Do you audit your pay stubs? If so, can you explain to me what I'm missing when I add up my (Pretax Ins & 401K + Taxes + Deductions) - (Gross Earnings) = Does not equal my direct deposit. What am I missing? Thanks in advance.

LIFETXVAL = imputed income for company paid life insurance.

I don't think that's included in Gross Earnings, so it throws off the math.