Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1629638)

I give up. I'm gonna go with Graf Zeppelin.

http://spad1.files.wordpress.com/201...f_zeppelin.jpg

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1629568)

Yes, the US deficit. The $17 trillion you refer to is the national debt.


In which direction has the US deficit been going? Larger, or smaller?

Patriotic, or un-patriotic? :)

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1629621)

I'm not sure what you mean by the rate. If you are asking about the deficit, it's shrinking.

I think the point is that it's less than half of what it was 5 years ago. If you were smoking 5 packs of cigarettes a day a month ago, but now you are down to two, I'd be like congratulations -- keep doing what you are doing.

My 401K is more than double what it was back then.

Plus, I'm way better off than I was in 2008 and I suspect you are, too.

You have to admit things are going in the right direction, right?

So, maybe "things" -- and "the CEO" you were talking about -- aren't quite as bad as you make them out to be. :roll eyes:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1629632)

Where both t and you run off the rails is the fact that this country and government is far bigger than one person. I've never quite understood the fascination with blaming or exalting said individual for everything that is going on at any given time. Sure, the president sets a lot of the policies, but by in large the overall economy is independent of whoever is in office at the time.

Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1629601)

Ex Iran-Air 747SP's?

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1629659)

Unpatriotic (to use one man's description of it) to run it up well over a trillion for four years straight and still not have it lower than the highest deficit of the one you said was a irresponsible and unpatriotic.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1629660)

I am talking about the rate of reduction. Of course, you have to factor in the DC speak of reducing the planned on increase in spending, and not actually reducing spending. And the grab of 1/3 of the economy is hardly what I would call inspiring. Now he's crowing about 8 million that got health coverage... after how many million LOST coverage? No. he's a total douchebag.

But he's right, I didn't build that.:rolleyes:


We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1629621)

I'm not sure what you mean by the rate. If you are asking about the deficit, it's shrinking.

I think the point is that it's less than half of what it was 5 years ago. If you were smoking 5 packs of cigarettes a day a month ago, but now you are down to two, I'd be like congratulations -- keep doing what you are doing.

My 401K is more than double what it was back then.

Plus, I'm way better off than I was in 2008 and I suspect you are, too.

You have to admit things are going in the right direction, right?

So, maybe "things" -- and "the CEO" you were talking about -- aren't quite as bad as you make them out to be. :roll eyes:

Originally Posted by DLpilot (Post 1629616)

You were already getting those reward dollars. They did not increase from the previous year. Therefore you will have more out of pocket cost. If your deductable last year was $1000 and your reward was $600, then you had an out of pocket of $400 to cover it. Now if your deductable goes up to $2000 and you still only get $600 then you now have $1400 out of pocket. Our cost went up plain and simple. The reward dollars cover less percerntage of the total cost now. Therefore you will pay more out of your wallet.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1629666)

The fact that some people are allowed to borrow at the discount window at 0%, and then immediately park that money in governments bonds is what makes this a criminal government. Only those people are better off this year, than in 2008.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1629666)

The fact that some people are allowed to borrow at the discount window at 0%, and then immediately park that money in governments bonds is what makes this a criminal government. Only those people are better off this year, than in 2008.