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Old 04-25-2014 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
My understanding is that the valuation includes all changes to the PWA, which means it does NOT include items such as decreases to the value of our 401(k) when the market tanks, increases to the non-contractual medical plans should we choose to use them, etc. FWIW, I've used over half my sick leave, voluntarily verified those instances in which I used medical care (much to the chagrin of my CPO, I might add), and have NEVER felt compelled to fly while I was sick.



Forgive me, but how is that possible if the pay rate on that jet has increased by some amount?
The trips are less productive and the profit sharing was lower. Believe me, I'm just as surprised.
Old 04-25-2014 | 06:24 AM
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I was thinking more that instructors would be leaving to get on the equipment while they can. They can elect to go where ever their seniority holds when leaving the training department, but after the fence falls they might not be senior enough to jump on.

Sounds like a large % might leave this summer which might be part of the reason to hire instructors now.
That makes sense.
Old 04-25-2014 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
The trips are less productive and the profit sharing was lower. Believe me, I'm just as surprised.
No - the profit sharing was HIGHER. 6.67% of pay last year; 8.26% of pay this year.
Old 04-25-2014 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
The trips are less productive and the profit sharing was lower. Believe me, I'm just as surprised.
The 2013 earned profit sharing percentage for every pilot was higher than the 2011 or 2012 percentage, even with the plan change.

The PWA added ADG and computer training rig and increases in daily vacation and training pay increase pay v. productivity.

I'd love to see your situation 'cuz I find it to be an outlier, but I'm open to seeing how it could have happened.
Old 04-25-2014 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
The trips are less productive and the profit sharing was lower. Believe me, I'm just as surprised.
You are either super-junior or just bidding the crappiest, lowest-time trips, and then doing nothing to swap for higher-time trips.

Most guys I fly with have expressed surprise with how much MORE they made in 2013 vice 2012.
Old 04-25-2014 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
No - the profit sharing was HIGHER. 6.67% of pay last year; 8.26% of pay this year.
The 8.26% will be in the 2014 W2. He said his 2013 W2 was less than his 2011. His 2013 W2 included the 6.67% of pay PS, do you know off the top of your head what the PS payout was in 2011?
Old 04-25-2014 | 06:48 AM
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Flyallnite--you know you're onto something when the usual Dalpa suspects pile on in an obviously coordinated response with their tried and true talking points.
Old 04-25-2014 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr

Most guys I fly with have expressed surprise with how much MORE they made in 2013 vice 2012.
Most guys I fly with are surprised with how much MORE they had to fly in 2013 vs 2012.
Good thing we made all those manning concessions. But hey, it's ok. The early outs made up for it, right?

Wait. Those were grossly overestimated in the sales job. Let's not forget that.
Old 04-25-2014 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
The trips are less productive and the profit sharing was lower. Believe me, I'm just as surprised.
That's a bummer. I definitely made more last year than I did the year before. Same category and no additional flying to speak of. I was surprised by the change too, but apparently for the exact opposite result that you experienced.
Old 04-25-2014 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Most guys I fly with are surprised with how much MORE they had to fly in 2013 vs 2012.
Good thing we made all those manning concessions. But hey, it's ok. The early outs made up for it, right?

Wait. Those were grossly overestimated in the sales job. Let's not forget that.
Weird... As a mid-level lineholder I had the same number of days of work(181) and my pay went up 27% YOY.

Have PWA changes in manning been the reason or the Company reducing staffing overages that have been carried for years been the reason pilots aren't sitting around as much?

(although if you ask flyallnite, he's been sitting around plenty even now)
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