Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-02-2014, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Go fly a 737 before you say that. Sad to think a 900 is the 757 replacement. The thing is really underwhelming. Nicest thing I can say about it.
I have 5000 hours in 73s..... and probably where I'll wind up by the time we are finished getting rid of bigger. But I agree, it's no 757, not by a longshot.
08-02-2014, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
Are you worse off now than you were six years ago?
08-02-2014, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Who the crap cares about aircraft type? Are you that childish? Is this a NASCAR race where we're cheering for a chevy or a ford? Airbus, Boeing.... we fly them and get paid.
None of this changes the fact that we actively codeshare with these carriers. They are flying people that bought tickets from the company that employs us. I didn't like flying the 737, but you don't see me making statements that I'd never get caught dead flying it. This is not about an airplane type- this is about scope. We are rapidly parking 25% of our largest fleet type with no replacement on property (apparently the 333IGW will be the capacity replacement when it gets here via reading between the lines), while our codeshare partners expand their "premium" fleets.
You don't care about small end scope, and I get that since it is mostly self mitigating at this point in time (the pendulum will swing the other way). However, this is top end jobs at DL being whisked away actively. Korean Air believes they should be doing all the Pacific flying. You've heard RA say that at the meetings.
So... where do we go from here? You constantly harp on hopey changey stuff yet you have presented so few ideas of your own- just mostly insults to others. Let's hear it, t. What can we do with the dynamics of the last few days other than ride the wave?
None of this changes the fact that we actively codeshare with these carriers. They are flying people that bought tickets from the company that employs us. I didn't like flying the 737, but you don't see me making statements that I'd never get caught dead flying it. This is not about an airplane type- this is about scope. We are rapidly parking 25% of our largest fleet type with no replacement on property (apparently the 333IGW will be the capacity replacement when it gets here via reading between the lines), while our codeshare partners expand their "premium" fleets.
You don't care about small end scope, and I get that since it is mostly self mitigating at this point in time (the pendulum will swing the other way). However, this is top end jobs at DL being whisked away actively. Korean Air believes they should be doing all the Pacific flying. You've heard RA say that at the meetings.
So... where do we go from here? You constantly harp on hopey changey stuff yet you have presented so few ideas of your own- just mostly insults to others. Let's hear it, t. What can we do with the dynamics of the last few days other than ride the wave?
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Who the crap cares about aircraft type?
Oh, and one last thing. Our scope has NOTHING to do with what airplane they buy. Not... one... damn... thing. They are gonna buy what they are gonna buy. You cannot force them to buy 777s, 787s or CRJs. You can only force them to use us to either fly those airplanes, or control who does. But the thing is, DAL is a multi national, global operating corporation, and it is unbelievably naive to think that our pilot group could do every single hour of flying for this company. We can do the lion's share, but not all of it. THAT is what scope is all about.
I turn the rant back over to you.
08-02-2014, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
Neither party is pilot friendly. We are not Labor, at least not the Labor the Dems favor. We are above median income, and tend to vote conservative as a group. They are interested in the Government Employees unions and the Service Employees Unions. So to say that the Ds are more "labor friendly" may be true but they ain't talking about us.
The Republicans (not RINOS) may not be labor friendly but they are for policies that foster growth and a robust economy. Since our jobs hinge on such an economy you can say that Conservative policies espoused by some Republicans is more pilot friendly than the stagnation culture of dependency established by the Dems. I submit into evidence the last 6 years.
Now if we could find a party or politician that would fight to repeal or remove us from the RLA? That would be pilot friendly.
And Buzz I'm with you. I don't contribute to the PAC because of the list of candidates they support. I remember seeing Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid at the top of the list lately. Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent....
The Republicans (not RINOS) may not be labor friendly but they are for policies that foster growth and a robust economy. Since our jobs hinge on such an economy you can say that Conservative policies espoused by some Republicans is more pilot friendly than the stagnation culture of dependency established by the Dems. I submit into evidence the last 6 years.
Now if we could find a party or politician that would fight to repeal or remove us from the RLA? That would be pilot friendly.
And Buzz I'm with you. I don't contribute to the PAC because of the list of candidates they support. I remember seeing Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid at the top of the list lately. Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent....
08-02-2014, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
Are you worse off now than you were six years ago?
That's a loaded question. Tha answer is most certainly a loaded gun pointed straight at us. Financially, on an individual basis, I certainly am better than I was because our contract is better than it was 6 years ago. But the party in power has unleashed policy on this country (not only in the form of the "ACA") that will not truly be felt for several more years, and the damages of which will not be undone for generations.
08-02-2014, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
I like the idea of staffing for the flying whether or not the flights are flown. That fixes the problem going forward. The past infractions can be monetized since you can't retroactively staff.
I think this is achievable in the negotiation/grievance process. Carl mentioned ending the JV but I doubt an arbitrator would force the company to stop commerce. The punishment doesn't fit the crime and it doesn't even really help Delta pilots.
I think this is achievable in the negotiation/grievance process. Carl mentioned ending the JV but I doubt an arbitrator would force the company to stop commerce. The punishment doesn't fit the crime and it doesn't even really help Delta pilots.
Oberon gets it.
08-02-2014, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by pnkqtrbkpnk
In most every way.
08-02-2014, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jabwmu
Pay question.
Does a line holder get paid half the reserve guarantee or half the AVL on the end of the month paycheck?
Thanks.
Does a line holder get paid half the reserve guarantee or half the AVL on the end of the month paycheck?
Thanks.
08-02-2014, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
Are you worse off now than you were six years ago?
The average American does not have those advantages and has suffered greatly. The real unemployment rate is still double digits and some of those that are employed are working part time or multiple part time jobs. 92 million people aren't working in this country, 11.5 million more than in 2008. And the population has grown all those years.
As for T's point about the ACA, I, as a military retiree, am somewhat insulated from that fiasco, for now. But that is a liberty stealing fiscal suitcase nuke waiting to explode. Why do you think O has delayed and waived that law countless times?
Liberty wise, we are much less free than we were 6 years ago. I think the damage done to the Constitution and our previously limited government may never be undone. I blame both sides for that.
08-02-2014, 07:00 AM
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See. If Boeing would just get with the program they would realize they need three engines on their extended FLUF jets and move the engines to the tail to have more ground clearance.
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