Not to nitpick, but it was 6 years ago. I, too, am a pilot partisan. I'm also a partisan American who believes in the greater good. I do check out what the PAC is doing.

Just countering Starcheck's assertion that ALPA hasn't endorsed presidential candidates, most notably the current one.

Starcheck was partially correct.

ALPA didn't endorse Obama. Prater contacted several large MEC's and there wasn't enough consensus to do so, and the Executive Board never voted. Prater as ALPA president personally endorsed Obama. Prater as ALPA president voted for the AFL-CIO to endorse Obama.

I believe, however, that Starcheck is wrong on ALPA ever endorsing a Presidential candidate. I believe ALPA endorsed Clinton in 1996 and Kerry in 2004 through votes of the Executive Board.

Take a look at the PAC website. Last time I checked it was 60D-40R for contributions and growing more balanced all the time. Pilot Partisan ALPA has made some good friends on both sides of the aisle, with almost every letter or legislative action sponsored or pushed by ALPA coming with sponsors from both major parties.

08-01-2014 | 06:09 PM

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That is simply false. ALPA never endorsed Obama, does not endorse presidential candidates...

...You should retract your assertion. It is as false as it is offensive to the dozen-odd Delta pilots who work very hard on the Hill.

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Originally Posted by tsquare

Carl?... retract? You must be joking.

This isn't for tsquare because it's just not possible for him to do anything else but what he does as shown above. But Starcheck, my assertions are not false. The article from Prater when he was ALPA president that Buzzpat posted is just one example. Many MEC's have either directly endorsed or strongly urged its members to vote straight Democrat. So now I'll ask you: Will you retract your assertions? Will you retract calling my statements of fact "offensive?"

Carl

08-01-2014 | 06:16 PM

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Pay question.

Does a line holder get paid half the reserve guarantee or half the AVL on the end of the month paycheck?

Thanks.

08-01-2014 | 06:27 PM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by RockyBoy

If we have a bid in 2014 but displacements from that bid are not done until 2015 can you guys go to the 777 or does the bid actually have to be posted after Jan 1 2015?

My understanding is that the AE has to close after Jan 1, 2015 before anyone can bid to or displace to a formerly fenced aircraft.

Carl

08-01-2014 | 06:29 PM

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If we're getting rid of old 747's, the only sensible thing to do would be to replace them with new ones.

08-01-2014 | 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by casual observer

If we're getting rid of old 747's, the only sensible thing to do would be to replace them with new ones.

There's no money in long haul passenger transportation.

08-01-2014 | 06:45 PM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Starcheck102

Anything that interferes with your personal narrative just can't make a dent.

What about the posts in response to your false assertions Starcheck? Do their interference in your personal narrative (and the ALPA PAC's narrative) make a dent?

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Originally Posted by Starcheck102

The dollar amounts and the recipients are on the ALPA PAC website. Look them up, I won't spoon feed you.

OK, I did. This is from the list of non-incumbents to which ALPA PAC supported financially for House and Senate seats:

2007-2008: Democrats 21...Republicsns 0

2009-2010: Democrats 24...Republicans 3

2011-2012: Democrats 40...Republicans 5

2013-2014: Democrats 21...Republicans 1

My statements that ALPA and the ALPA PAC are left wing organizations and not at all "pilot partisan" stands.

Carl

08-01-2014 | 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin

8 years ago in aviation is a lifetime. Why don't you check out what the PAC is doing now. Pilot Partisan.

See above.

Carl

08-01-2014 | 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by slowplay

Actually, Starcheck was totally incorrect. ALPA has endorsed presidential candidates and ALPAs chairman encouraging members to vote for Obama may not be an official endorsement but it sure is tacit.

UALs MEC followed suit and officially endorsed Obama.

08-01-2014 | 07:33 PM

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Good update from C20. While contractually legal, I really believe the way this whole thing was handled was disrespectful both by the company and the senior MEC types. The bid changed- drastically. They should have pulled it but didn't.

Also, given the "reduced growth" in the Atlantic, I'd say that is with high probability the final nail in the coffin of a "cure" for the JV balance. SD is a lawyer, so you have to read between the lines in what he writes. All the TATL growth is certainly not ours. Given that 25% of our largest metal is going away via assistance from our TATL network, the logic points one direction with regard to our TATL growth. Shrinking? Doubtful. Anemic? With certainty.