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Old 08-01-2014 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
So that I don't offend someone or their race in the future, I ask for clarity: If I use the term "White Trash" am I using a racial term? Thanks ahead of time.
I take offense at the term "Cracker". Does that help?
Old 08-01-2014 | 12:52 PM
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I'll be happy to answer all your race-related questions in PM, Gunship Guy.
Old 08-01-2014 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
I feel sheepish this morning. I made my point. Then, I let someone get under my skin, got angry (internet angry is both the worst and silliest kind of angry), and loosed a rhetorical flourish that destroyed my credibility.

That's some rookie forensics, right there.
But if it was just what you truly believe then was it really so bad?
Old 08-01-2014 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Since I can't paste the exact words here, I'll paraphrase from page 2 of the Q & A, emphasis mine: '...notwithstanding reductions in trans-Atlantic growth plans, the combined JV trans-Atlantic network will grow this winter by 3 percent, though not as much originally planned.'

If it was Delta Air Lines that would be growing by 3% in the Atlantic, they would have said Delta Air Lines. Instead, they said "the JV Trans-Atlantic network." Further, they said the reductions in the Atlantic at Delta will free up those Delta aircraft to fly Pacific routes abandoned by the 744.

They couldn't have been more clear. Delta will be flying less Delta aircraft in the Atlantic. The JV network will grow by 3% in the Atlantic. This will widen our imbalance in the JV and it will occur during the "cure period" of our scope section.

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Carl, let me fix TWO key wordS you decided to omit. "They said reductions in the Atlantic GROWTH PLANS at Delta will free up aircraft for the Pacific.
Old 08-01-2014 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
We don't know how much EASKs the AF/KL side is going to be reducing, so don't assume the other side of the Atlantic is static.
Management just said the JV network will be growing 3%, but that 3% is lower growth than they anticipated. The JV will be growing 3% while we pull Delta aircraft off the Atlantic and put them on the Pacific. The JV imbalance has just been made even worse...during the "cure" period. It's a blatant in your face dismissal of our MEC as any threat to management whatsoever. This was the action to bolster Richard's statement that labor risk has been completely taken off the table at Delta.

Originally Posted by shiznit
There is leverage there, but like T says, how do you remedy the violation without "selling scope for pay"???
This is troubling coming from you shiznit. You're supposed to know this stuff. Not to mention it's been stated at least a dozen times in the last few days. The remedy is either getting back into compliance, or ending the JV. If they have to fly half full jets across the Atlantic to get into compliance, then that's what they need to do. Either that, or end the JV. We can't sell pilot jobs anymore.

What's your position on that shiznit?

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Old 08-01-2014 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
I feel sheepish this morning. I made my point. Then, I let someone get under my skin, got angry (internet angry is both the worst and silliest kind of angry), and loosed a rhetorical flourish that destroyed my credibility.

That's some rookie forensics, right there.
You did no such thing Frank. Racism is always perceived through the window of our own experiences. You're a solid guy here with good opinions.

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Old 08-01-2014 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Starcheck102
That is simply false. ALPA never endorsed Obama, does not endorse presidential candidates (thank GOD), and he received no money from ALPA PAC.
First, I'd love to see the dollar for dollar amount we sent to each politician. Second, official endorsements aren't required to let members know your position. I read everything ALPA put out the last 6 years. ALPA clearly did NOT support the McCain/Palin ticket. Everything written was heavily slanted toward Obama, and McCain routinely portrayed as anti-labor. Same with congressional candidates, and same with the run against Romney. If you didn't see that, I don't know what to say other than I'll let others decide what they recall regarding who ALPA was hoping you'd vote for.

Originally Posted by Starcheck102
I could give a rat about the AFL-CIO - they don't pay dues. You pay dues, so I hope you will check the facts on this for yourself.
You should give rip. ALPA is an affiliate of the AFL-CIO...a very far left organization.

Originally Posted by Starcheck102
This is just one of several occasions when Barry has tossed American pilots under the bus. The highlights include whatever devil's bargain he made with the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, and what he directed to happen at OMB during the endgame of FAR 117.

And now this. I must say his actions make it impossible to support him as an airline pilot. I have no confidence that he is actually on the side of organized labor.
Totally agree.

Originally Posted by Starcheck102
You should retract your assertion. It is as false as it is offensive to the dozen-odd Delta pilots who work very hard on the Hill. The Pilot Partisan agenda is more than just a slogan to us, it represents the only way ALPA can stay relevant and avoid getting cornered in a very toxic political environment.
Spare me the political talking points of a "Pilot Partisan" agenda. ALPA is a strong supporter of left wing politics. That's a fact.

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Old 08-01-2014 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Ummmm OK, I'll bite. Just how do you propose "not granting relief" to upcomng displacements? Just not show up en masse for training when assigned? They can displace whomever they want, whenever they want. THEY buy the airplanes, and THEY deploy them. WE only fly them...
Not speaking for Jerry, but I think I agree with him on this. We shouldn't grant any relief from displacements. If the company wants to displace on the top end while hiring on the bottom, let them. With our record, any contractual relief we give will ultimately hurt US far worse.

Also, if my fenced airplane going away while the fences are still up results in my displacement, then my displacement should happen while the fences are still up so I couldn't displace to the 777. That's only fair.

My two cents.

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Old 08-01-2014 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Starcheck102
That is simply false. ALPA never endorsed Obama, does not endorse presidential candidates (thank GOD), and he received no money from ALPA PAC.

I could give a rat about the AFL-CIO - they don't pay dues. You pay dues, so I hope you will check the facts on this for yourself.

This is just one of several occasions when Barry has tossed American pilots under the bus. The highlights include whatever devil's bargain he made with the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, and what he directed to happen at OMB during the endgame of FAR 117.

And now this. I must say his actions make it impossible to support him as an airline pilot. I have no confidence that he is actually on the side of organized labor.

You should retract your assertion. It is as false as it is offensive to the dozen-odd Delta pilots who work very hard on the Hill. The Pilot Partisan agenda is more than just a slogan to us, it represents the only way ALPA can stay relevant and avoid getting cornered in a very toxic political environment.
While there seems to be a lot of liberal pilots... on the ER... ... but truth is the democratic party's sympathies are not with 50,000 filthy rich ex-military private sector unionized airline pilots that probably will not vote for them, will not canvass neighborhoods and man call centers like say the SEIU.

Government unions and the IAM are where it's at. Who represents Boeing's unions anyways?
Old 08-01-2014 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Not speaking for Jerry, but I think I agree with him on this. We shouldn't grant any relief from displacements. If the company wants to displace on the top end while hiring on the bottom, let them. With our record, any contractual relief we give will ultimately hurt US far worse.

Also, if my fenced airplane going away while the fences are still up results in my displacement, then my displacement should happen while the fences are still up so I couldn't displace to the 777. That's only fair.

My two cents.

Carl
If we have a bid in 2014 but displacements from that bid are not done until 2015 can you guys go to the 777 or does the bid actually have to be posted after Jan 1 2015?
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