Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-08-2014 | 12:39 PM
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Every airline has. As I've said, there's no chance you'll ever vote to strike mother Delta. Ever.
No evidence other than your many self-interested self-concerned posts.
Carl
06-08-2014 | 12:42 PM
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....just ask Ferd!
06-08-2014 | 12:42 PM
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06-08-2014 | 12:45 PM
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06-08-2014 | 12:49 PM
Wind the clock beoch
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I think the problem finis is that you seem to be hailing the concept that your current pay on the 777 is the same (still $5 less) than it was in 2004 even though you jumped 5 pay scales to get it:
2004 rates:
767..... $267.32. ($262.38 for the 777 in 2014)
L1011...$288.92
L1011...$296.94
767-4....$301.89
MD-11...$304.86
777.......$319.61
To still be paid $5 per hour less than you were 10 years ago even though you've climbed 5 pay positions to get it is not exactly something to be crowing about.
Carl
2004 rates:
767..... $267.32. ($262.38 for the 777 in 2014)
L1011...$288.92
L1011...$296.94
767-4....$301.89
MD-11...$304.86
777.......$319.61
To still be paid $5 per hour less than you were 10 years ago even though you've climbed 5 pay positions to get it is not exactly something to be crowing about.
Carl
Let's carry finis "my 2004 pay rate and my 2014 pay rate are basically the same" argument to absurdity (trust me, we won't have to go far---it's already an absurd position).
Year 1 717 F/O hourly pay is $68.08. At the top of the food chain is 777 Capt pay at $262.38/hr.
Hypothetically, if pay rates were to decline a total of 76% across the board over a 30 year period, where at the end of that period today's new hire would make $68.08/hr as a 777 Capt, that Capt could then crow that pay rates are "about the same" over that 30 year period. Victory!
Finis--you shouldn't be comparing 2004 7ER pay to 2014 777 pay. Apples to oranges.
It's a fact that the 2014 777 rates are approximately 20% LOWER than 2004 777 rates. Plus it takes over $401/hr in TODAY'S dollars to equal $319.61/hr in 2004 dollars. That's the comparison you should be using.
I don't begrudge you for being content with what you have. If you're satisfied with what you're being paid then good for you. But I think most people here see through your transparent argument. At least Carl and I do.
06-08-2014 | 12:54 PM
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Because it's important to point out what you really believe when you start chest thumping as though you believe in selfless thinking.
It's neither trying to divide or unite. It's just me pointing out how you will behave with 100% certainty.
Every airline has. As I've said, there's no chance you'll ever vote to strike mother Delta. Ever.
No evidence other than your many self-interested self-concerned posts.
Carl
It's neither trying to divide or unite. It's just me pointing out how you will behave with 100% certainty.
Every airline has. As I've said, there's no chance you'll ever vote to strike mother Delta. Ever.
No evidence other than your many self-interested self-concerned posts.
Carl
You are boring. Your posts are the same old drivel. I am putting you back on ignore, and if you ever want to put your money where your big fat mouth is, send me a PM. 50 Grand. Should be easy money since you are so confident. But I expect not to hear from you because you are just a bunch of talk. Besides, didn't your boy call you back to the mother ship?
Later, big man.
06-08-2014 | 12:56 PM
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Carl- Thanks for translating for me. Now I understand what he's saying. It makes absolutely no sense to me, but it is proof positive that some guys will claim they are winning despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Reminds me of the knight from Monty Python (..."I'm not dead yet...").
Let's carry finis "my 2004 pay rate and my 2014 pay rate are basically the same" argument to absurdity (trust me, we won't have to go far---it's already an absurd position).
Year 1 717 F/O hourly pay is $68.08. At the top of the food chain is 777 Capt pay at $262.38/hr.
Hypothetically, if pay rates were to decline a total of 76% across the board over a 30 year period, where at the end of that period today's new hire would make $68.08/hr as a 777 Capt, that Capt could then crow that pay rates are "about the same" over that 30 year period. Victory!
Finis--you shouldn't be comparing 2004 7ER pay to 2014 777 pay. Apples to oranges.
It's a fact that the 2014 777 rates are approximately 20% LOWER than 2004 777 rates. Plus it takes over $401/hr in TODAY'S dollars to equal $319.61/hr in 2004 dollars. That's the comparison you should be using.
I don't begrudge you for being content with what you have. If you're satisfied with what you're being paid then good for you. But I think most people here see through your transparent argument. At least Carl and I do.
Let's carry finis "my 2004 pay rate and my 2014 pay rate are basically the same" argument to absurdity (trust me, we won't have to go far---it's already an absurd position).
Year 1 717 F/O hourly pay is $68.08. At the top of the food chain is 777 Capt pay at $262.38/hr.
Hypothetically, if pay rates were to decline a total of 76% across the board over a 30 year period, where at the end of that period today's new hire would make $68.08/hr as a 777 Capt, that Capt could then crow that pay rates are "about the same" over that 30 year period. Victory!
Finis--you shouldn't be comparing 2004 7ER pay to 2014 777 pay. Apples to oranges.
It's a fact that the 2014 777 rates are approximately 20% LOWER than 2004 777 rates. Plus it takes over $401/hr in TODAY'S dollars to equal $319.61/hr in 2004 dollars. That's the comparison you should be using.
I don't begrudge you for being content with what you have. If you're satisfied with what you're being paid then good for you. But I think most people here see through your transparent argument. At least Carl and I do.
06-08-2014 | 01:05 PM
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Carl,
You are boring. Your posts are the same old drivel. I am putting you back on ignore, and if you ever want to put your money where your big fat mouth is, send me a PM. 50 Grand. Should be easy money since you are so confident. But I expect not to hear from you because you are just a bunch of talk. Besides, didn't your boy call you back to the mother ship?
Later, big man.
You are boring. Your posts are the same old drivel. I am putting you back on ignore, and if you ever want to put your money where your big fat mouth is, send me a PM. 50 Grand. Should be easy money since you are so confident. But I expect not to hear from you because you are just a bunch of talk. Besides, didn't your boy call you back to the mother ship?
Later, big man.
06-08-2014 | 01:07 PM
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From: 767er Captain
Nice try........... and you are welcome. You have had the best contract in the industry for a lot longer than you might have had otherwise.
06-08-2014 | 01:07 PM
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