forgot to bid

I'm still a little bit in the fog as to the CDO incident. The mere fact that it was pulled begs the question as to why it was there in the first place and the language (and protections) not seen. I'm still trying to figure out those two things.

This kind of change to work rules and operations seemed to me to be as big as any contract TA would be. Whether it went to memory rat or not I think the language deserved time to review.

And that's what confuses me. I think for most who signed a DPA card it was more about DALPA having a conflict of interest or being self serving and secretive and that maybe there needed to be a change. But over the last year it's really died down as the DPA shot itself in the foot on occasion and then you had elections at DALPA, followed by a recall, followed by new people. I think for those of us who filled out a DPA card there is a willingness to give DALPA the benefit of the doubt moving forward.

So what I don't get is if DALPA wanted to finally rid itself of the DPA why go this route on this kind of TA at this time? Not publishing the language is secretive, publishing it is not secretive. And why didn't they understand there would be an uproar about CDOs even if some pilots really demanded it?

Alan Shore

I've seen this discussed here rather exhaustively by folks who were there or who heard about it from others. Perhaps your reps could fill in the rest.

Horse's mouth, and all that...

forgot to bid

I agree about contacting my reps, and I have been rereading a lot of the last 100 pages and I still can't get past the fact that if I am going to be bound to a contract then I want to read it before I am bound to it.

Same with buying a car (as I learned the hard way) or getting a new phone plan, I don't care what the salesman says the deal is, I want to read it. And I don't care if I have an agent who created the contract on my behalf with my best interests in mind, I just want to read it for myself.

Express pilot

Call scheduling and ask. It's a new rule with this new LOA

flyallnite

You probably won't have to wait long for the magnificent b%4tard who stands in the middle of the lounge, and speaks on his mobile phone at a volume that would be appropriate for a presentation. The topics range from "I need some mulch" to "My ATV is in Beaufort and I need to get my trailer back from my brother in law before I can pick it up". He's there every time I have a sit!

Alan Shore

Agreed....

Carl Spackler

Uh, no. The company's opener is their initial position in negotiations. A TA represents the end product of negotiations and the start of a ratification process. That's why I said TA as opposed to "company's opener." You used "company's opener", I used "TA." Our MEC and pilots approved the first TA produced by negotiations. Neither the pilots or the MEC sent the TA back for more negotiations to produce another TA because we voted in the first TA.

Does this end your confusion between company openers and TA's ?

Carl

Flamer

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I don't understand why we are not allowed. They can't even notify us of the trip until the short call starts or it resets out rest. They can't expect us to show us within minutes of being acknowledged. Even the guy who lives 20 minutes away might be at the gym and have to go home and shower and pack. Seems petty to me taking that away.

Well, sounds to me like you will always be 2 hours away no matter where you are when they call. You can be petty too.

sailingfun

That sounds reasonable. When I asked what happened to the pay no credit part of 5:15 I was simply told it went away in the renegotiation.

sailingfun

I don't understand this part either. On the surface it seems to make no sense. The company gains nothing. I have however heard the company has had issues with guys abusing the 2 hour slide and not being in position. Seems however they should punish those guys and not everyone else.