Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-26-2014 | 03:20 AM
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They exclude the DC and 401k. My highest earning year under C2K was $235k plus in 2004 as a 73N A. Followed by 185K in 2005 after the do it once paycut, and 145K after the do it once do it twice paycut in 2006. 2007 was a big artificial jump because of the note and claim money.
04-26-2014 | 03:29 AM
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Okay, let's think about this.
His airplanes say Delta Air Lines on them.
His passengers' tickets say Delta Air Lines on them.
Most importantly, his paychecks say Delta Air Lines. He's an employee of Delta Air Lines, Inc. If he comes over to the Delta Air Lines certificate, HR will consider it a rehire.
He's at DAL like it or not. If we don't want him on our seniority list or represented by our union or accruing longevity for his DAL service, that's on us and frankly pretty shortsighted & playing into management's hand. What's next, buying Alaska but not integrating their pilots & planes, sending 737s to whichever operator is cheaper? And then telling AS pilots they're not DAL and their input isn't relevant in this supposed DAL-pilots-only thread? Who would that benefit, exactly? Not us or them, right?
So what precisely is the difference with 9E pilots?
His airplanes say Delta Air Lines on them.
His passengers' tickets say Delta Air Lines on them.
Most importantly, his paychecks say Delta Air Lines. He's an employee of Delta Air Lines, Inc. If he comes over to the Delta Air Lines certificate, HR will consider it a rehire.
He's at DAL like it or not. If we don't want him on our seniority list or represented by our union or accruing longevity for his DAL service, that's on us and frankly pretty shortsighted & playing into management's hand. What's next, buying Alaska but not integrating their pilots & planes, sending 737s to whichever operator is cheaper? And then telling AS pilots they're not DAL and their input isn't relevant in this supposed DAL-pilots-only thread? Who would that benefit, exactly? Not us or them, right?
So what precisely is the difference with 9E pilots?
We can try and negotiate items impacting the above but I suspect it would be over managements dead body. Also keep in mind that if we succeeded in getting management to merge feeder airlines it would not be a staple. It would almost certainly go to arbitration.
04-26-2014 | 04:43 AM
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From: Light Chop
I'm sure some of you are thinking of bidding the 717. Here's my thoughts: Huntsville, Knoxville, Jackson, Northwest Arkansas Regional Airport and stare at this for a minute...
04-26-2014 | 05:13 AM
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"One Great Team" Pass help please!
Trying to book my spouse and I to Paris in a couple weeks. When I go try to list from "Point A, to a hub, to Paris" it shows 0 seats available. Now, when I check specifically from said "Hub" to Paris, there are seats. When I put in "Point A to Hub" there are seats available. Why then are there no seats from Point A to Paris? I don't get it and am getting frustrated. I can list on either leg, just not both of them together.
Errrrr
Trying to book my spouse and I to Paris in a couple weeks. When I go try to list from "Point A, to a hub, to Paris" it shows 0 seats available. Now, when I check specifically from said "Hub" to Paris, there are seats. When I put in "Point A to Hub" there are seats available. Why then are there no seats from Point A to Paris? I don't get it and am getting frustrated. I can list on either leg, just not both of them together.
Errrrr
04-26-2014 | 05:28 AM
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Okay, let's think about this.
His airplanes say Delta Air Lines on them.
His passengers' tickets say Delta Air Lines on them.
Most importantly, his paychecks say Delta Air Lines. He's an employee of Delta Air Lines, Inc. If he comes over to the Delta Air Lines certificate, HR will consider it a rehire.
He's at DAL like it or not. If we don't want him on our seniority list or represented by our union or accruing longevity for his DAL service, that's on us and frankly pretty shortsighted & playing into management's hand. What's next, buying Alaska but not integrating their pilots & planes, sending 737s to whichever operator is cheaper? And then telling AS pilots they're not DAL and their input isn't relevant in this supposed DAL-pilots-only thread? Who would that benefit, exactly? Not us or them, right?
So what precisely is the difference with 9E pilots?
His airplanes say Delta Air Lines on them.
His passengers' tickets say Delta Air Lines on them.
Most importantly, his paychecks say Delta Air Lines. He's an employee of Delta Air Lines, Inc. If he comes over to the Delta Air Lines certificate, HR will consider it a rehire.
He's at DAL like it or not. If we don't want him on our seniority list or represented by our union or accruing longevity for his DAL service, that's on us and frankly pretty shortsighted & playing into management's hand. What's next, buying Alaska but not integrating their pilots & planes, sending 737s to whichever operator is cheaper? And then telling AS pilots they're not DAL and their input isn't relevant in this supposed DAL-pilots-only thread? Who would that benefit, exactly? Not us or them, right?
So what precisely is the difference with 9E pilots?
Personal philosophy on how a passenger ends up in the back of an airplane does not indicate what company employs the pilots.
04-26-2014 | 05:31 AM
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Zackly! A penguin is a bird, too, but it can't fly. A chimp has opposable thumbs, but it can't fly an Airbu…er…ok, bad analogy.
If the similarities are so strong, then why didn't Junglebus and Mesabah just skip the abuse, and go directly to Delta. I mean, it's the exact same company, right?
If the similarities are so strong, then why didn't Junglebus and Mesabah just skip the abuse, and go directly to Delta. I mean, it's the exact same company, right?
04-26-2014 | 05:49 AM
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FL,
With the inability of the some (most?) of the DCI carriers to fill the right seat something has got to change. Hopefully this will enable you guys to start moving in the right direction compensation wise.
Scoop
04-26-2014 | 06:06 AM
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Scoop, Delta just formed the Air Carrier Training ARC. It's a workaround for the 1500 hour rule. You get an ATP that only allows you to fly at 9E/Delta.
04-26-2014 | 06:07 AM
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That's neat! What are you going to bid in this AE? You're no more a Delta pilot than a eagle or envoy is AA. You remind me of some of the eagle pilots that would wear the AA logo tie vs the eagle logo so they would get treated better while commuting or deadheading. Do you also tell people at parties that you're a Delta pilot?
QUOTE=Mesabah;1630625]At this point, management has pierced the corporate veil with the bridge agreement, and DALPA doesn't care, so maximizing synergies between 9E and DAL is starting to accelerate. At some point this year we move to a common manual system with you guys, and next year we move into your benefits system.[/QUOTE]
QUOTE=Mesabah;1630625]At this point, management has pierced the corporate veil with the bridge agreement, and DALPA doesn't care, so maximizing synergies between 9E and DAL is starting to accelerate. At some point this year we move to a common manual system with you guys, and next year we move into your benefits system.[/QUOTE]
04-26-2014 | 06:11 AM
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