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Originally Posted by Reroute
(Post 1643034)
NNP 13-03
"Converting the 316 weekly slots to annual block hours results in a value of 116,400 hours, representing 54 percent of the 2014 projected Pacific block hours. While the 316 slots protected 80 percent of the NRT slots in 1998 (but only 54 percent of the currently projected Pacific block hours), LOA 13-03 protects 85 percent of all Pacific block hours." Public math alert, but 85% > 54%. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1642985)
Maybe, let me go back and look. We are using the same data. Then I have get off of here and go back to arguing with my wife over what we need more. A new deck or a new Corvette! So far that discussion is not going well either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz82fjXqFQ4 |
Originally Posted by Doug Masters
(Post 1643008)
I think the Clamp show had an in depth discussion on this very topic awhile back. FTB and Timbo were the special guests.
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
(Post 1642987)
Everything I know about backdooring, I learned from 80kts!
First month bidding - missed a regular line by 1 number - but got all weekends off & every day I asked for :eek:! Suddenly seeing the attraction of NYC 88B ;). Oh, and does anyone have any questions anymore on why I don't ever trust sailingfun's interpretation of data? He's off his rocker! |
Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr
(Post 1643036)
What's the background on the "backpack" references? PM if you don't want to post in the open.
TEN |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1643062)
I can teach you how to backdoor your B, but my goodness don't ever take any advice from me on bidding. I tried to reap the benefits of a bit more seniority in category, but it literally awarded me with exactly what I didn't want.
Oh, and does anyone have any questions anymore on why I don't ever trust sailingfun's interpretation of data? He's off his rocker! |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1643075)
Funny, didn't you say the same thing almost one year ago when I posted what things would be like a year later? Only mistake I made was things are even better then my prediction. Still looking for the massive job loss and furloughs the forum predicted.
On top of that, who predicted furloughs other than maybe PD? Your disdain of the place you so heavily participate in is rather ironic. |
Originally Posted by Reroute
(Post 1643034)
NNP 13-03
"Converting the 316 weekly slots to annual block hours results in a value of 116,400 hours, representing 54 percent of the 2014 projected Pacific block hours. While the 316 slots protected 80 percent of the NRT slots in 1998 (but only 54 percent of the currently projected Pacific block hours), LOA 13-03 protects 85 percent of all Pacific block hours." Public math alert, but 85% > 54%. That paragraph you quote is absolutely meaningless. Its a comparison of percentages of hours to percentages of slots. And comparing 16 year old slot numbers to current hours numbers. That's not even apples to oranges. Its apples to paper clips. Sailing has been telling us how inconsequential that codeshare was (only $250,000, like you and me losing a dime). If that's true then why was management willing to give us this great new production balance "protection"? Why didn't they just pay us the dime? I'll tell you why. Because it was actually going to cost them a helluva lot more than that when they lost the grievance. The way it turned out after they sat down with our crack negotiators they got us to delete that entire section of our contract in exchange for zero dollars and the promise that they wouldn't cut more than 15% off our Pacific block hours. Which they knew they were never going to do anyway because of their plans for a big expansion in Seattle. Its just like the huge "victory" DALPA achieved to get them to park 50 seat RJs that management knew they were going to park anyway. Its unbelievable the way they play our negotiators and the ALPA E&FA people. We keep giving up chunks of our contract to the company in exchange for them promising that the sun will rise in the east. And then we call that a huge achievement. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1643042)
I would not say it's highly likely it will be violated. Now if the Far East experiences a huge financial meltdown and two or three wars/revolutions I will agree with you.
Originally Posted by Flamer I agree. But you must admit it is highly likely it will be violated. So, for a current violation what say you on the PDs being handed out to reserves while following the contract exactly as written? And.........the second question? |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1643080)
Here's some more math -- 85% < 100%
That paragraph you quote is absolutely meaningless. Its a comparison of percentages of hours to percentages of slots. And comparing 16 year old slot numbers to current hours numbers. That's not even apples to oranges. Its apples to paper clips. Sailing has been telling us how inconsequential that codeshare was (only $250,000, like you and me losing a dime). If that's true then why was management willing to give us this great new production balance "protection"? Why didn't they just pay us the dime? I'll tell you why. Because it was actually going to cost them a helluva lot more than that when they lost the grievance. The way it turned out after they sat down with our crack negotiators they got us to delete that entire section of our contract in exchange for zero dollars and the promise that they wouldn't cut more than 15% off our Pacific block hours. Which they knew they were never going to do anyway because of their plans for a big expansion in Seattle. Its just like the huge "victory" DALPA achieved to get them to park 50 seat RJs that management knew they were going to park anyway. Its unbelievable the way they play our negotiators and the ALPA E&FA people. We keep giving up chunks of our contract to the company in exchange for them promising that the sun will rise in the east. And then we call that a huge achievement. I wonder why the SEA reps voted in favor of this... |
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