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Old 05-19-2014 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Dash8widget
I get that - but on a transcon augmented turn, the landing pilot on the first landing has to have 2 hours rest in the second half of the FDP as well. So the same pilot does both landings?
Okay I understand now, FDP definition versus leg definition. IDK.
Old 05-19-2014 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
As I posted there are some limited situations where it might make sense in the Central America/Carib or NRT market. Many of our competitors did Carib turns augmented in markets they only flew a few days a week. We double crewed those because our contract required it. It's still not likely we will see much of that because the contract requires a rest seat. You're not going to see Delta deploy lie flats into low yield vacation markets on a regular basis. Other airlines prior to 117 allowed a cabin seat most even in coach. 117 may have changed the seat requirements but not sure.
The devil is always in the details. If the TA allows a standard cabin seat you might see some in Carib. If not then it just is not going to happen. I suspect we will see the TA by Wednesday.
Edit: talked with a friend much smarter then me. There are a few markets in Central America we might be interested in flying into where the company does not feel they can layover crews. There are also a few markets we could be losing because of declining layover safety. This could be a solution to serve those markets.
It could make Nairobi and Mombasa out of Dakar or the Canaries possible.
Old 05-19-2014 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by groundstop
We took concessions in the last contract in a upswing airline industry, why not do it again? The pilots voted it through.
Really? Name one concession.
Old 05-19-2014 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Starcheck102
Really? Name one concession.
you cannot be serious.
Old 05-19-2014 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
It could make Nairobi and Mombasa out of Dakar or the Canaries possible.
That is interesting. I did hear that we wanted to serve other places in Africa out of ACC but that they would have to be turns as the situation on the ground wasn't as stable as west Africa. Nairobi was one, so was going to Luanda where they found oil recently. Haliburton is going in there big to build the infrastructure.
Old 05-19-2014 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DFW Refugee
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You might apply your logic to another possible augmented route: 'Anywhere' to Alaska. Remember, we're frenemies with AK Air. :roll eyes:
We will overnight 6 crews a night in Juno. Some will deadhead from SEA-Juno just to deadhead back. Credit be damned. We're coming.
Old 05-19-2014 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Your math still eludes me. We don't get paid for sleeping in hotels. The trip you describe pays closer to 12 hours. It would be all hard time. It pays exactly the same be it a turn or two day. The only difference is on a turn 3 guys get paid instead of two.
The trip I described was ATL-SFO-ATL which pays min guarantee of 10.30:

DAY FLIGHT DEPARTS ARRIVES BLK

A 2349 ATL 1507 SFO 1732 5.25

SFO 11.13 / Van Down By The River

B 240 SFO 0615 ATL 1357 4.42

TOTAL 10.30 TL 10.07 BL .23 CR 12.07 FDP
Old 05-19-2014 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop

Lets see the details, read them calmly, study them.............................................. .............and then burn the house down!

Scoop
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This. So why did I just read the last 10 pages of speculation?

But, with that said, without noon for day one reserve is a no vote for me. Anything else requires a day before commute for me and I would imagine most guys.

I'll wait for details on the augmentation speculation. What Sailing said makes since to me (did I just say that).

COD (or whatever we'll call them) is one I feel strongly both ways on, but probably no for me as a protection to the young pups (I didn't like the few I did). However I would suggest they would affect such a small portion of the pilot group it'll be tough to get guys to vote no only on that issue. I see them as meaning we are trying to capture close in to hub cities now flown by RJs.......certainly good news.

JMHO
Old 05-19-2014 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
But, with that said, without noon for day one reserve is a no vote for me. Anything else requires a day before commute for me and I would imagine most guys.
So, let me get this straight. You have 18 days on call, but 4 half-days don't count. So, you're really only available to fly a total of 16 days. Fair enough - then I think local guys should get a reserve guarantee 10% higher than commuters, and I'll be glad to be available 10% more!

And since I haven't read Section 23 in a while, do you guys get 12 hours at the end of each block of days to get back home too?
Old 05-19-2014 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
So, let me get this straight. You have 18 days on call, but 4 half-days don't count. So, you're really only available to fly a total of 16 days. Fair enough - then I think local guys should get a reserve guarantee 10% higher than commuters, and I'll be glad to be available 10% more!
I guess I don't follow what you're saying.

I'm assuming the first day of reserve is shortcall, what I normally get.

The rest of what I think you're saying isn't what I think at all....

PS. And why I avoid/don't commute to reserve when I can help it
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