DAL 88 Driver

Me too. And I will also support a recall for any MEC officer that argues in favor of including CDO's. Selling out safety is completely out of bounds.

dc10guy

What I hear the split duty is 6 hours between flights but reducible. Can not be rerouted into. Call or email your rep. The ADG is good. Split line is a no for me.

80ktsClamp

I won't go that far. Some people legitimately do like them, and there can be a niche for them if appropriately restricted. I really don't like the 30 hour layovers and the upturn of sleep cycle involved in converting to the early early morning with a very long day at the end of the 30 hours.

EdGrimley

Agree completely. Where is the leadership? Hard to believe we are even having this discussion! I've done CDO's (even so called good ones). My health tanked during that time period. Not to sound dramatic but I started getting heart palpitations along with circulatory problems. I didn't look well (people would ask if I was sick). The body, to function alertly and maintain it's balance, needs restorative sleep that occurs in one sleep session. Science shows you cannot break up sleep into bits and pieces and stay sharp. The body begins to break down. Some current trips cause the same things, I understand that. Our union needs to step up and show some leadership. Instead of adding more, dangerous type operations when we should be actively reducing them.

Increased compensation needs to come in other ways (and the company can afford it), not at the cost of safety and health. We have all seen the pilot who died years before his time. Pressurizing/depressurizing, time zone changes/jetlag, radiation, etc. is already hammering our health. Let's not be stupid and move toward regional rules and reducing the profession to zombies grabbing for money.

Superdad

Sorry for the topic change but I cannot find any reference to jury duty in the PWA. I already have a trip on the days that I have been summoned, what happens to that trip?

shiznit

Oh, I remember the IAH-ILE/BPT/EFD/HOU/LCH days!

WRT the CDO issue...I don't care as much how many pilots are laying over, as how much credit pilots are accumulating. With only two short legs and a 8-11 hour duty period, the nighttime rig will cause higher credit per "two legs" that can't be eaten up with block time elsewhere in the rotation.

Also, these will be very late show- very early release 4 day rotations with only three duty periods that will pay 22:30 (if they indeed are 7:30 each). That is actually still higher than 5:15/day ADG!

I beleive there will be a significant increase in manning needed due to ADG in general, with all reserves getting 5:15 each day instead of on the end of month "lookback" that we have presently.

Add that with the ADG applying to all the late show and 30 hour layovers that are too long for a CDO, the 18:00 4 days and 13:30 3 days will help a number of lineholders to build a full month of flying with one or two less days of work per month. Those "less days of work" will need to still be flown, so it will require more pilots in category to fly the same schedule.

I think the math on domestic augmentation has shown it likely won't necessarily decrease staffing, but I'm sure there will be reps who ask about that in detail at the meeting.

My money is definitely on the staffing formula going UP rather than DOWN if we ratify this LOA.

I wonder if the net result of the staffing will offset or more than offset the 100-150 pilot "savings" supposedly allowed from C2012?

I wonder what the value of ADG would mean to the Delta pilot payroll as a yearly percentage?

<--- Only sorta waiting patiently for details.

(oh, and I agree with ftb that this will pass with or without memrat)

tsquare

I sailed with one of your cat buddies (Matt McD) this weekend. We gotta get you out with us one of these days. I would love to come down to Kelly for your regatta, but somebody gotta pay the rent. Sail fast....

hockeypilot44

There's a jury duty form online. You need to let the company know ASAP. They will drop as little of your trip as possible so you can make jury duty (could be whole trip). You will be paid for the dropped part of your trip. If you do not let the company know in a timely manner, it will be dropped without pay (yes this has happened). Jury duty is referenced in section 12 of the PWA.

EdGrimley

Again, more speculation from the usual characters. I tried to make this point earlier... if the items being discussed have been fleshed out so well and the company, who likely sold the benefits through a powerpoint presentation on specific usages and theaters of operation....then both sides should have no problem allowing the pilot group to "snap back" to our current work rules if it doesn't turn out as lollipops and unicorns. Would you support a snapback clause as a get out of jail free card? If no, why not? Oh the company wouldn't agree to that? Why???

tsquare

Ahhhh the mythical staffing formula. Is that the same one that allows categories to be woefully understaffed year after year?

I don't believe it really exists. It is merely cocaine to placate the masses. (us)