So I guess our MEC is holding firm to the concept of cost neutrality (or close to it) even in times of record sustained profits and pilots having leverage? Do we just need to succumb to the co-company/union vision of any gains needing to be offset by concessions?

Carl

What part of +38M/year and +137 pilots don't you understand?

05-25-2014 | 06:57 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Imapilot2

To make this worse its MID TRIP! fly all day...next day fly all night....next fly all day. Man I can't do that. I'm going to be a zombie. Its one thing to end on a red eye and go home but this is crazy.

Timbo is right on this and I'll take it a step further. Pilots who fly those legs fatigued generally do so out of fear of a chief pilot rug dance or even perhaps getting fired. But if you are involved in an accident or even an FAA violation due to your fatigue, you will lose your license either by suspension or revocation. In either case, your career in aviation is over. Nobody else will ever hire you even if you get your license back after suspension.

Fired by Delta with your license still clean means many other opportunities as a pilot. No license or a tainted license means no more opportunities as a pilot.

Bottom line is that you can never ever compromise safety and your license by flying fatigued. Never. It's the worst career decision you can make.

Carl

05-25-2014 | 06:57 AM

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Big difference. If you are not on day 1 of you 4 on call days. They give you a 8 am SC. You could use the 2 hr commute and be in base by 10. Come in on the 1st flight in the morning. Now you can't and you have to leave the night before.

Are we sure the two hour commute is only applicable on the first day now? I've used it in the past after the first day on call, but are we positive that option is now gone after the first day?

05-25-2014 | 06:59 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge

What part of +38M/year and +137 pilots don't you understand?

Line by line accounting of how those numbers were costed and derived please...

Carl

05-25-2014 | 07:00 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Are we sure the two hour commute is only applicable on the first day now? I've used it in the past after the first day on call, but are we positive that option is now gone after the first day?

Yes, that's now gone.

Carl

05-25-2014 | 07:03 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Carl,

Reread carefully the quoted C1 update:

This does not infer that direction was given to pursue CDO's, but what they received was different than briefed. Remember NC direction takes place in Executive session and cannot be directly discussed. I read the C1 update as a sideways way of saying that direction was not given to pursue CDO's or was significantly different than what they were briefed on. The NC can suggest courses of action for MEC approval without waiting for direction to come up with ideas. The same ambiguity is being spun to suggest that direction to pursue CDO's was given. I don't read it that way.

I suggest you call the C1 and your own Reps, and was as suggested, the NC directly.

Don't know if I can parse that language and come up with your conclusion. But you're right about going straight to the source. I'll do that.

Carl

05-25-2014 | 07:06 AM

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We really lost the ability to commute in on the first 2 hours of SC?!?!

I didn't know that. Lame!!!

05-25-2014 | 07:09 AM

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Carl Spackler

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I was referring to when the MEC had it for a week before they eventually got the votes to pass it on for MEMRAT.

Understood, but what if a majority of those reps also fell for the extreme fear campaign and high pressure sales job? They have to own caving in the same way we have to own it. Even though "Scrappy" was one of the architects of the fear campaign, we never forced "Scrappy" to use his negotiating skills because we accepted the first TA.

Carl