You would think with "constructive engagement" we would be able to get that fixed. As long as you are able to walk straight over to the gate and depart, they should not care if you are flying in during that first two hours of short call. There's no reason it should not apply to any on-call day.

 

Definitely something to put back on the list for the next engagement. I don't commute anymore, and really hope I never have to commute to reserve again. That was a really useful tool for a RES commuter, for whom every hour counts.

It is offset IMO for the first day with the 1000 earliest start-time (which would allow the 2 hour commute.) This is an improvement over the old 0500 earliest start time. For my previous commute, that would have been a huge improvement. However, I would like to see us get the 2 hour commute to SC back for any day even though it hopefully won't ever affect me again...

Btw, I think we were sitting right next to each other at the meeting - and hanging out in the hall for hours on end. Nice meeting you in person.

 

Yes!

Why would there be any need to hide those costing numbers now? Especially in this age of "transparency" at DALPA.

 

So we had it...and then we conceded it...and now we'll have to give something up to get it back.

Brilliant.

 

Whoa! Where is this written? I didn't see this. Just skimmed the LOA again and still didn't see this.

 

My statement was one of questioning whether this is yet another cost neutral engagement. Without having the actual data, it certainly looks to me like we gave something for everything we got in a time of sustained record profits. You responded to me by saying this:

Certainly sounded like you were stating facts, so I asked for documentation. You can't show it. Neither can I. Thus my question still stands.

Carl

 

That is gone too? Haven't heard that change discussed at all

 

Although it might be an improvement from the PWA, that 1000 report is worse than the noon report the company has been using since FAR 117. That was a big QOL win when the company self imposed that, and it kept me home a few nights where I would have been gone previously.

Trying hard not be be a negative person but I'm just not seeing the advantages for commuting reserves here. Especially in categories that don't typically meet the max reserve each month. And that 137 pilots number isn't much compared to the numbers of hirees in the next few years, compared to the QOL changes brought on.

 

I don't disagree with a thing you're saying fwiw.

The main benefit is the ADG. SC went to 12 hours from notification from 10 which basically covers the 2 hour period that could have been previously used for a commute. 2 hour commute was retained for day 1 IF they assign it prior to 1500 on your last x day. I view it as you still have to be in base no sooner than 1200 on day 1. You just have to be ready to go if you're on SC. To me that's way better than 5am potentially.

What the company chooses to do outside of the PWA (ie noon on day 1) can also be taken away. Having 10am with a de facto noon earliest start, in the PWA, is locked in now. It used to be 5am. Don't keno about you, but I frequently had an early RAP on day 1 requiring a commute in the night before.

I don't know about the 2 hour early release. I'll have to dig a bit more on that one.

 

As to your second part about the 137, that illustrates a major concern of mine. I'm worried that guys will not focus on productivity/work rules as much in the good times (massive hiring). Just because we are hiring a lot if pilots doesn't mean 137 is insignificant. Improving staffing and our pay when we're at work shouldn't get lost in the hiring wave. The music will eventually stop...

I see this becoming an issue in C2015 where the company will undoubtedly aim to reduce head count and smooth out the massive training wave that's about to crash. I'm worried guys will say things like "it's only 137 (500, 800, etc) positions, but it doesn't matter because everyone is upgrading and we're hiring 800 a year". Not attacking you personally, just pointing out something we, as a group, need to be careful of.