Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-29-2014, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The poster stated we increased the allowed number of 76 seaters. That was not the case and all I stated. In fact based on the newest fleet plan they could have the number of 76 seaters they seem content with under the old or new contract.
You're only reemphasizing my continued assertion that you are just awful at analysis.
06-29-2014, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The poster stated we increased the allowed number of 76 seaters. That was not the case and all I stated. In fact based on the newest fleet plan they could have the number of 76 seaters they seem content with under the old or new contract.
Carl
06-29-2014, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope
Not sure why you hurl insults like that. I don't come around here much, but like it or not Sailing comes off as a good bit more intelligent than you do (no offense intended because the real Carl Spackler is a national treasure)...and as someone just pointed out, you continue to trot out discredited canards, I suppose to attract adherents to a view that is eroding more quickly every day...but I'm sure a successful DPA vote is imminent and will change all that...."Freeze Gopher"
06-29-2014, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
IF and ONLY IF they parked 70 seaters. Those are aircraft that they want to keep.
You're only reemphasizing my continued assertion that you are just awful at analysis.
You're only reemphasizing my continued assertion that you are just awful at analysis.
Carl
06-29-2014, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Here's what I don't get Clamp. If sailingfun's problem was that he was just awful at analysis, then the odds would dictate that his flawed analysis' would work to the benefit of Delta pilots half the time, and management the other half. Instead, sailingfun's "analysis" is always pointed toward lowering expectations. Either by over touting our contract or under emphasizing what others have, it always points toward lowering your expectations. That's why his motives are so troubling to me.
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06-29-2014, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Don't forget those $400 million in increased pilot costs were more than offset by over $400 million in pilot concessions. That's why management refers to our contract as not only cost neutral, but allows them to invest in initiatives to benefit other employee groups at Delta.
It's good to know that with our help, all other employees at Delta are back to their pre-bankruptcy wages.
Carl
It's good to know that with our help, all other employees at Delta are back to their pre-bankruptcy wages.
Carl
Doughnuts by Spackler. has a ring to it. Ever think about quitting and opening up a shop Carl?
06-29-2014, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
06-29-2014, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
C2012 allowed for a greater number of jumbo RJ's (70 through 76 seaters).
06-29-2014, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
It is exactly true shiznit. No matter how many times you MEC types want to define over and over again what management said, management said it. They've never taken it back. We're seeing the results today.
That number changes constantly from you MEC types. Why? Because you've made it up. You won't show your numbers any more than you'll show the survey results from the last contract. Nobody's buying it.
I'll repeat what mangement said because I know it's your job to spin. Management said our contract was cost neutral. But they went further. They said that the pilot's contract was so "good" that it would provide for Delta being able to invest in initiatives that would benefit other employee groups at Delta. We're seeing that now with all other employee groups being back to their pre-bankruptcy wages.
No matter how often you want to redefine this with statements and numbers you can't possibly back up, it's just not true. Maybe we'll be getting a thank you from the other employee groups for our concessions.
That number changes constantly from you MEC types. Why? Because you've made it up. You won't show your numbers any more than you'll show the survey results from the last contract. Nobody's buying it.
I'll repeat what mangement said because I know it's your job to spin. Management said our contract was cost neutral. But they went further. They said that the pilot's contract was so "good" that it would provide for Delta being able to invest in initiatives that would benefit other employee groups at Delta. We're seeing that now with all other employee groups being back to their pre-bankruptcy wages.
No matter how often you want to redefine this with statements and numbers you can't possibly back up, it's just not true. Maybe we'll be getting a thank you from the other employee groups for our concessions.
The fact is that my reps, who did have access to every bit of data, looked me in the eye and told me exactly what Shiznit is saying here -- that our net increase in cost to the Company, after the pay rate increases, profit sharing decreases, vacation and CQ training pay increase, shift in bid periods, ALV expansion, etc., etc., was around $400M per year.
I believe them.
And you don't think that management has reason to spin data? The very people that need to justify to the BOD and Wall Street why they've just given the most expensive pilot group in the industry another $400M a year? You don't think they have any need for spin?
Really?
Yes, we're seeing the Company give pay raises to the other employees. Welcome to the anti-union initiative. Are they back to pre-BK wages? I don't know. What does that even mean? We were back to pre-BK (but post-LOA #46) prior to C2012. So what?
And do you really think they needed concessions from us to be able to afford to give raises after the profits we've been generating recently?
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