A lot of people talk to birdies, that post on APC. Nothing wrong with that. Some birdies even post on APC, with differing levels of transparency. I've never been shy about calling people to ask questions, and draw my own conclusions, usually from more than one source. So I understand that many of the posters here have some insight. That makes sense. Being knee-deep in almost every leak, but claiming not to get the info from someone, that doesn't really make sense.

 

You may be on to something there.

With another **** poor performance from "our" "union," we'll all need to become very familiar with various consumer credit vehicles.

Meanwhile, the ALPA bureaucrats on full FPL will be doing just fine, thank you.

 

Sorry for not being more clear. The reps who vote and fly the line have no clue. These deals are put together by those on full time flight pay loss, part time or are just connected.

In The C2012 TA the MEC was bypassed. The pay was below their direction and reducing profit sharing was not authorized.

Trading profit sharing comes from guys like Chuck. Guys who are not elected. Guys who think they know better. The pilots are too stupid to understand his use of big words.

Let's let the process work.

These insiders are extremely powerful and they have been in place a long time. We have an uphill battle.

 

Red herring. No one has alluded to the DPA...except for guys like you who need to create a smoke screen.

It's a play from Barry's handbook...when the masses are up in arms after a test balloon crashes and burns (in this case, pay banding and a "cost neutral" contract)...
- distance yourself
- deny responsibility
- invent a boogeyman to blame
- insert a non-sequiter
- wait a couple of days, and repeat

 

OK, so you speak with frustrated reps, who tell you they fight an uphill battle against the bureaucrats, or people in the admin, and that's how you develop a picture of what's going on, and make uncanny predictions about what's happening on the MEC next. Is that about right?

 

You're saying "the NDA" and I take you literally to mean a singular NDA. Although I'm certainly not an expert on Delta's laws of incorporation and board rules, I think you're making a wrong assumption. An actual board member must sign a member NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) which prohibits him/her from discussing anything that is learned during board meetings unless it's with another board member. The only way the Pilot Director could do what you say above is if the MEC had also executed board member NDA's. Not saying that's impossible, but I can't imagine Delta's board doing that. The Pilot Director has all the privileges of the other board members, but also same responsibilities to keep quiet. He would only be able to discuss board activities in the most general of terms with the MEC.

If I'm wrong on this and MEC members have active corporate board member NDA's, I'd like to be set straight.

Carl

 

I don't even really know who you are but you've only made thirty two posts so it was easy, and amusing, to go back and read them all.

Your response, or lack thereof, makes me think gzsg is spot on.

 

I take the time to communicate with all the MEC, negotiators and at times committee members.

My reps would be the last to know the back door deal. Now Randy And Buzz....

 

First, I haven't been saying anything other than management's actual quotes. Second, pilots don't pay for their own pay, so pilots couldn't show it as a cost. Management describes C2012 as a cost neutral contract. The argument of stating they meant cost neutral to pilots or cost neutral to Delta is speculation because management didn't say it. They simply said our contract is a cost neutral contract. They did go further to say that the cost savings realized in the pilots' contract would allow Delta to invest in initiatives that benefit other employee groups. Now management states proudly that all non-pilot employees of Delta are back to their pre-bankruptcy wages.

There are some dots here that seem to connect in my opinion.

I can't be sure because I don't have access to the data. Regarding whether pilot costs have gone up, it seems that key to the discussion is whether those increased costs were related to C2012. As opposed to increased use of health care by our aging pilot population, etc.

As stated above, the amount (plus or minus) isn't as important as the relationship of that change to C2012.

To multi-quote, click the little "+" sign at the lower right of the desired post and wait for the "+" to turn green. Once green, that entire post will appear in whatever else you wish to quote.

Carl

 

Don't know about the narrow body stuff but that somewhat correlates with a chat I just had with a VP. The plan (at that moment in time) is to not renew the leases for the 744 which begin expiring in 2017 and end in 2020. The replacement will be much smaller aircraft to handle point to point as Delta's strategy is to "de-hub" Narita.

I was most interested in our overall strategy in the Pacific, our competition, and how much flying will be done by Delta pilots, so I didn't push for more info on other aircraft.

Carl