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Old 07-19-2014 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
Actually, I was told that it had to do with the fact that European labor contracts are not public documents in the same sense that our are, and that they are generally held very close to the vest.

I am not certain whether that remains the case or not.
Either way how hard can it be to find someone to kick it across the pond? Keeping it a secret benefits neither pilot group. Its in all our interests that we know what the other makes. It puts pressure on the cheaper ones to bring up their end of the cost side, and it pressures the more expensive ones to fight harder for better scope (not just JV but for everything).
Old 07-19-2014 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
FOR GAWD'S SAKE, CAN YA'ALL JUST STOP!

Carl, I love ya dearly man, but I just fast forwarded through 5 or 6 pages of you and the ALPA nitwits duking it out over stuff that has and never will be settled. Trust me, it's you and about 3 guys vs about 3 or 4 ALPA guys.........no one else is reading it. If you haven't noticed, the participation around here is almost nil.

Here's my suggestion..........start a new thread! Call it "Latest and Worse of DALPA" or something like that.

Or, and this is my preference, tell a joke, tell a flying story or two, post some cheerleader picks (remember when you used to do that?)

Look guys, we have a bunch of new guys coming that will need "how to" help just like us NWA guys did a few years ago. We need to clear the decks for that.

JMHO,
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My Ferd, swirling a glass of Jack, speaks for me.

Those of us on APC don't need to know where the battle lines are drawn, we pay attention. No amount of arguing between party lines is going to change anyone's mind. As for me, I'm behind ALPA and Donatelli as we progress to C15. Period.

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Old 07-19-2014 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Either way how hard can it be to find someone to kick it across the pond? Keeping it a secret benefits neither pilot group. Its in all our interests that we know what the other makes. It puts pressure on the cheaper ones to bring up their end of the cost side, and it pressures the more expensive ones to fight harder for better scope (not just JV but for everything).
As soon as DALPA said they didn't want to give out the information, I found the Air France pay data on the Internet and posted it here. Don't think I could find that post again though.

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Old 07-19-2014 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
FOR GAWD'S SAKE, CAN YA'ALL JUST STOP!

Carl, I love ya dearly man, but I just fast forwarded through 5 or 6 pages of you and the ALPA nitwits duking it out over stuff that has and never will be settled. Trust me, it's you and about 3 guys vs about 3 or 4 ALPA guys.........no one else is reading it. If you haven't noticed, the participation around here is almost nil.

Here's my suggestion..........start a new thread! Call it "Latest and Worse of DALPA" or something like that.

Or, and this is my preference, tell a joke, tell a flying story or two, post some cheerleader picks (remember when you used to do that?)

Look guys, we have a bunch of new guys coming that will need "how to" help just like us NWA guys did a few years ago. We need to clear the decks for that.

JMHO,
Ferd
From another member of the new guy contingent around here you nailed it Ferd! Thanks man!
Old 07-19-2014 | 04:46 PM
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FOR GAWD'S SAKE, CAN YA'ALL JUST STOP!

Carl, I love ya dearly man, but I just fast forwarded through 5 or 6 pages of you and the ALPA nitwits duking it out over stuff that has and never will be settled. Trust me, it's you and about 3 guys vs about 3 or 4 ALPA guys.........no one else is reading it. If you haven't noticed, the participation around here is almost nil.

Here's my suggestion..........start a new thread! Call it "Latest and Worse of DALPA" or something like that.

Or, and this is my preference, tell a joke, tell a flying story or two, post some cheerleader picks (remember when you used to do that?)

Look guys, we have a bunch of new guys coming that will need "how to" help just like us NWA guys did a few years ago. We need to clear the decks for that.

JMHO,
Ferd
Fred,

Sincerely, thank you for your post.

Sincerely,
Kyle
Old 07-19-2014 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Wmuav8r
From another member of the new guy contingent around here you nailed it Ferd! Thanks man!
Hey New Guys…….



Welcome Aboard !

(It's good to see you on here.)
Old 07-19-2014 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Got it. You're good with performance ("success") that yields a 34% cut in buying power 7 years after the "crisis" is over and during times of unprecedented profits and outlook for our company... and with no apparent intent to do a whole lot better than that going forward. "Vive le difference" indeed!
DAL,

To be fair C-2012 pre-dates record profits so this contract is the one that will determine if our compensation has been permanently reset or not.

On the other hand, you can argue that management saw the record profits coming and used that information to their advantage in C-2012. You would probably win that argument.

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Old 07-19-2014 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
In vino veritas!
Credat Judaeus apella, non ego.
Old 07-19-2014 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
Fred,

Sincerely, thank you for your post.

Sincerely,
Kyle
Thanks FERD...
And to Buzz and NK: Eventus stultorum magister
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