Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-31-2014 | 07:40 AM
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07-31-2014 | 07:40 AM
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Excerpted from the Crew Resources Monthly Update for the August 2014 Bid Period, published July 8 2014:
"744 – DTW will see the vast majority of the 744 departures in 2015. We have not been made aware of plans to retire any 744 aircraft and we have no plans to open another 744 pilot base. We will add 744 pilots on future AEs to maintain our 744 pilot count as pilots retire and 744 First Officers upgrade to Captain."
The gyrations are only making this worse.
"744 – DTW will see the vast majority of the 744 departures in 2015. We have not been made aware of plans to retire any 744 aircraft and we have no plans to open another 744 pilot base. We will add 744 pilots on future AEs to maintain our 744 pilot count as pilots retire and 744 First Officers upgrade to Captain."
The gyrations are only making this worse.
What else is new?
Can't wait for that MSP 777 base to open!
07-31-2014 | 07:42 AM
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So, am I wrong, or is this what happened?
1.) For months, they have been waiting on planning/marketing to come up with final "numbers" so as to put out an AE to staff the airline for 2015.
2.) They finally get the projected "numbers" and release an AE on July 15th, based on that projection.
3.) On July 30th, they release the results of the AE and announce that they are retiring four 747-400's by the end of the year and do not fill the 8 captain positions they posted on the 15th.
4.) On July 31st (today) they release a memo explaining that they are retiring the 747's because "in the coming months" they are reducing capacity in the Atlantic, which will free up 777's and 767's to redeploy to the Pacific.
So, they've been waiting for months for "the plan," they get "the plan," but then they change "the plan" within two weeks?
If that's what happened, you would think that they would take a little more time to make such a big decision. Especially, when it took them so long to come up with the original plan, in the first place.
1.) For months, they have been waiting on planning/marketing to come up with final "numbers" so as to put out an AE to staff the airline for 2015.
2.) They finally get the projected "numbers" and release an AE on July 15th, based on that projection.
3.) On July 30th, they release the results of the AE and announce that they are retiring four 747-400's by the end of the year and do not fill the 8 captain positions they posted on the 15th.
4.) On July 31st (today) they release a memo explaining that they are retiring the 747's because "in the coming months" they are reducing capacity in the Atlantic, which will free up 777's and 767's to redeploy to the Pacific.
So, they've been waiting for months for "the plan," they get "the plan," but then they change "the plan" within two weeks?
If that's what happened, you would think that they would take a little more time to make such a big decision. Especially, when it took them so long to come up with the original plan, in the first place.
07-31-2014 | 07:45 AM
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Yours!!
07-31-2014 | 08:06 AM
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Excerpted from the Crew Resources Monthly Update for the August 2014 Bid Period, published July 8 2014:
"744 – DTW will see the vast majority of the 744 departures in 2015. We have not been made aware of plans to retire any 744 aircraft and we have no plans to open another 744 pilot base. We will add 744 pilots on future AEs to maintain our 744 pilot count as pilots retire and 744 First Officers upgrade to Captain."
The gyrations are only making this worse.
"744 – DTW will see the vast majority of the 744 departures in 2015. We have not been made aware of plans to retire any 744 aircraft and we have no plans to open another 744 pilot base. We will add 744 pilots on future AEs to maintain our 744 pilot count as pilots retire and 744 First Officers upgrade to Captain."
The gyrations are only making this worse.
I maintain the Company has effectively engaged in "self help." Yet they demand the highest ethical standards from their employees. The "Rules of the Road" look like a one way street.
07-31-2014 | 08:08 AM
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I'm thinking we should be more worried how to Deny AF/KLM.
Our jobs are disappearing right now. NAI is in the theoretical future.
Why do I care if its a Norwegian pilot or a French pilot? My job is gone either way.
07-31-2014 | 08:11 AM
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[QUOTE=newKnow;1696021]
So, am I wrong, or is this what happened?
1.) For months, they have been waiting on planning/marketing to come up with final "numbers" so as to put out an AE to staff the airline for 2015.
2.) They finally get the projected "numbers" and release an AE on July 15th, based on that projection.
3.) On July 30th, they release the results of the AE and announce that they are retiring four 747-400's by the end of the year and do not fill the 8 captain positions they posted on the 15th.
4.) On July 31st (today) they release a memo explaining that they are retiring the 747's because "in the coming months" they are reducing capacity in the Atlantic, which will free up 777's and 767's to redeploy to the Pacific.
So, they've been waiting for months for "the plan," they get "the plan," but then they change "the plan" within two weeks?
If that's what happened, you would think that they would take a little more time to make such a big decision. Especially, when it took them so long to come up with the original plan, in the first place.
I'm a pollyanna, but I think what happened was a significant change in the negotiations for new widebodies in the past two weeks (that the company will soon announce).
If that is the case, it's premature to judge the decision making and the longer term effects on the pilot group without the details of the companies plans to replace the retiring 744s.
So, am I wrong, or is this what happened?
1.) For months, they have been waiting on planning/marketing to come up with final "numbers" so as to put out an AE to staff the airline for 2015.
2.) They finally get the projected "numbers" and release an AE on July 15th, based on that projection.
3.) On July 30th, they release the results of the AE and announce that they are retiring four 747-400's by the end of the year and do not fill the 8 captain positions they posted on the 15th.
4.) On July 31st (today) they release a memo explaining that they are retiring the 747's because "in the coming months" they are reducing capacity in the Atlantic, which will free up 777's and 767's to redeploy to the Pacific.
So, they've been waiting for months for "the plan," they get "the plan," but then they change "the plan" within two weeks?
If that's what happened, you would think that they would take a little more time to make such a big decision. Especially, when it took them so long to come up with the original plan, in the first place.
If that is the case, it's premature to judge the decision making and the longer term effects on the pilot group without the details of the companies plans to replace the retiring 744s.
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07-31-2014 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Stevens, writing as NWA MEC Chair 14 April 2008
... the Delta pilot leadership and Northwest management chose a different path. NWA management proposed a traditional merger to Delta management. Then Delta management entered into bilateral negotiations with the representatives of the Delta MEC. The representatives of the Northwest pilots were excluded from the negotiations.
One can only conclude that the Delta pilot leadership and Delta management have made an arrangement to try to disadvantage the Northwest pilots economically and with respect to our seniority. No pilot group is going to put up with this. No amount of money can sustain a carrier which creates this level of discord. This is a recipe for failure. Under these conditions, Northwest Airlines and all the stakeholders, including the pilots, other employees and customers, are better served by a standalone airline. Under these circumstances, it is Northwest’s best option, with its strong international and domestic route structure, a flexible fleet, an order book with fuel-efficient aircraft and the best cash position of any legacy carrier, to remain an independent carrier.
Wish you would save yourself and me the time. If I write something, there is a source. My source on NWA is your MEC publications and investor conference call quotes, since all my knowledge comes from those sources.
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07-31-2014 | 08:16 AM
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Calm it a little, this isn't ALPA or NWA's or Delta's "fault". It's a function of the profitability of the company and world economy. Should we fly money losing planes all over the world "just because we always have"?
The Delta network has been and will continue to change, and its been known for a long time that the 744's were probably next on the chopping block in the WB fleet(constantly talked about how much RA doesn't like 4 engines).
It is odd that they will pull 3 planes of flying in late Sept. but not displace until 2015. I'm sure there is a reason that we aren't seeing.
The Delta network has been and will continue to change, and its been known for a long time that the 744's were probably next on the chopping block in the WB fleet(constantly talked about how much RA doesn't like 4 engines).
It is odd that they will pull 3 planes of flying in late Sept. but not displace until 2015. I'm sure there is a reason that we aren't seeing.
This AE was a dose of reality for management.
Now we will pay the price. Concessions wrapped up with a bow.
07-31-2014 | 08:21 AM
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