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Old 07-31-2014 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

... and I do not know if means anything, but those smart men who ran for and were elected to our merger committee had already built integration models for Hawaiian pilots.
Out of curiosity what would that be other than relative seniority?

Whats the most junior 330 A and B there? Wasn't it like a 2000 and 2012 hire?
Old 07-31-2014 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You know Bar, every time you talk about our merger you put your foot in your mouth. The NWA MEC was never worried about being treated like ASA, Comair or Compass. Not for a minute, not for a second.



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Reference your MEC coms following the first failure to reach a JPWA, when Moak did a deal with Delta allowing Delta to proceed with operation of NWA.

I am on my phone, but you should have learned by now that I do not post without third party documentation.
Old 07-31-2014 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Calm it a little, this isn't ALPA or NWA's or Delta's "fault". It's a function of the profitability of the company and world economy. Should we fly money losing planes all over the world "just because we always have"?

The Delta network has been and will continue to change, and its been known for a long time that the 744's were probably next on the chopping block in the WB fleet(constantly talked about how much RA doesn't like 4 engines).

It is odd that they will pull 3 planes of flying in late Sept. but not displace until 2015. I'm sure there is a reason that we aren't seeing.
Is it a charter utilization issue? You can take 3 or 4 out and still operate the schedule?

The 744s are not necessarily young either. Yes, when you have a route that needs them then they're awesome, but they do tend to age and unless you want a 748, you're going to go down size wise to a 773 or further to a 330, which ever makes the most margin most of the time.
Old 07-31-2014 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Calm it a little,
You're supposed to say Calm down Captain Happy.


We might as well get used to it, we're going to be living with those words for a long long long time.
Old 07-31-2014 | 06:32 AM
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Deltanet has update on pacific strategy.
Old 07-31-2014 | 06:32 AM
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[QUOTE=forgot to bid;1695967]Is it a charter utilization issue? You can take 3 or 4 out and still operate the schedule?

Delta also will cancel its flights between Tokyo-Narita and Hong Kong and Nagoya to Manila as the 747-400s will be retired.
Old 07-31-2014 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Calm it a little, this isn't ALPA or NWA's or Delta's "fault". It's a function of the profitability of the company and world economy. Should we fly money losing planes all over the world "just because we always have"?

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How much of the fnwa network survives?
Old 07-31-2014 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carl,

Reference your MEC coms following the first failure to reach a JPWA, when Moak did a deal with Delta allowing Delta to proceed with operation of NWA.

I am on my phone, but you should have learned by now that I do not post without third party documentation.
So why didn't it happen Bar? You could have done it, but at the last minute you decided on allowing it to go to arbitration because it was the right thing to do? Really?

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Bye Bye Narita-Manilla. Isn't that the sole reason so many 744 pilots continue to work? So they can visit their LBFM's
Old 07-31-2014 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Out of curiosity what would that be other than relative seniority?

Whats the most junior 330 A and B there? Wasn't it like a 2000 and 2012 hire?
"Career Expectations" , .... you make a lot of subjective claims and color glossies to try to distract from objective data and status quo.

Hawaiian is a small carrier. If it happens the stagnation will hurt more than the integration.
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