Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-31-2014, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Calm it a little, this isn't ALPA or NWA's or Delta's "fault". It's a function of the profitability of the company and world economy. Should we fly money losing planes all over the world "just because we always have"?
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07-31-2014, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carl,
Reference your MEC coms following the first failure to reach a JPWA, when Moak did a deal with Delta allowing Delta to proceed with operation of NWA.
I am on my phone, but you should have learned by now that I do not post without third party documentation.
Reference your MEC coms following the first failure to reach a JPWA, when Moak did a deal with Delta allowing Delta to proceed with operation of NWA.
I am on my phone, but you should have learned by now that I do not post without third party documentation.
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07-31-2014, 06:37 AM
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Bye Bye Narita-Manilla. Isn't that the sole reason so many 744 pilots continue to work? So they can visit their LBFM's 
07-31-2014, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Out of curiosity what would that be other than relative seniority?
Whats the most junior 330 A and B there? Wasn't it like a 2000 and 2012 hire?
Whats the most junior 330 A and B there? Wasn't it like a 2000 and 2012 hire?
Hawaiian is a small carrier. If it happens the stagnation will hurt more than the integration.
07-31-2014, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
So I'm thinking this RFP battle is between the 773 and 330NEO, hold off on 777 awards until after the 744 begins to depart in case it's the 773 that wins. The 744 isn't going to last forever and neither is the 767 Three Hundred*.
I'm still thinking 330 though, they love the 330 it seems.
*That's how one guy recently said it to me, I was on the 767 three hundred E-R...
I'm still thinking 330 though, they love the 330 it seems.
*That's how one guy recently said it to me, I was on the 767 three hundred E-R...
They do love the 330 a lot, but the 330NEO talk could be a play to get Boeing to come way down on 787 prices and maybe some 773's to offset 744's. This fall should be real interesting, and not just for the SEC West!
07-31-2014, 06:45 AM
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Almost 6 years ago we began to merge, wondering what would've been had we not is like a disappointed football fan saying "if only we had stopped them on that second quarter drive, we'd won!"
Really? We don't know that, you don't know how your team would've reacted or how the other team would've reacted because it never happened.
We don't know what DAL would've done with the junior pilots in 2008 without the merger and Compass. We don't know what kind of progression we'd had with a competitor like NWA that we would have not competed against. We don't know what would've happened if another airline had combined with NWA leaving us to maybe combine with... Continental?
We don't know any of this. All I know is I was displaced out of the ER to the 88 before the SLI.
Really? We don't know that, you don't know how your team would've reacted or how the other team would've reacted because it never happened.
We don't know what DAL would've done with the junior pilots in 2008 without the merger and Compass. We don't know what kind of progression we'd had with a competitor like NWA that we would have not competed against. We don't know what would've happened if another airline had combined with NWA leaving us to maybe combine with... Continental?
We don't know any of this. All I know is I was displaced out of the ER to the 88 before the SLI.
07-31-2014, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Maybe 787-9's and 787-10's?
They do love the 330 a lot, but the 330NEO talk could be a play to get Boeing to come way down on 787 prices and maybe some 773's to offset 744's. This fall should be real interesting, and not just for the SEC West!
They do love the 330 a lot, but the 330NEO talk could be a play to get Boeing to come way down on 787 prices and maybe some 773's to offset 744's. This fall should be real interesting, and not just for the SEC West!
There really isn't a good way to tell what they will acquire on the RFP.
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07-31-2014, 06:47 AM
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Yesterday was an eye-opener for sure.
I think we need to face facts. Whatever we've been doing to try and preserve our international widebody jobs isn't working. Those jobs are continuing to go away despite our various contract sections and LOAs.
Now Dickson wants to "engage the association" yet again to deal with more displacements off the international fleet.
Every time we engage, we end up worse off.
Maybe its time to disengage. Instead of re-writing our contract whenever management needs something, why don't we try enforcing what we've got?
I am tired of my union being "off the table". (to quote our CEO)
We need to get back in the game.
I think we need to face facts. Whatever we've been doing to try and preserve our international widebody jobs isn't working. Those jobs are continuing to go away despite our various contract sections and LOAs.
Now Dickson wants to "engage the association" yet again to deal with more displacements off the international fleet.
Every time we engage, we end up worse off.
Maybe its time to disengage. Instead of re-writing our contract whenever management needs something, why don't we try enforcing what we've got?
I am tired of my union being "off the table". (to quote our CEO)
We need to get back in the game.
07-31-2014, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
So why didn't it happen Bar? You could have done it, but at the last minute you decided on allowing it to go to arbitration because it was the right thing to do? Really?
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We exclude some airlines from the merger NWA got. My point is inclusion is right, exclusion is wrong.
If we acquire Hawaiian, we merge them, just as we did previous operators of non permitted aircraft.
JV's are becoming operational mergers without SLI. Frankly, it is a problem because flying is being transferred to the lower cost entity.
Don't turn this in to a NWA debate to bolster your own ego. This is a problem we face together.
07-31-2014, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The triggers are in the Delta PWA. I believe they are there because it is the right thing to do.
We exclude some airlines from the merger NWA got. My point is inclusion is right, exclusion is wrong.
If we acquire Hawaiian, we merge them, just as we did previous operators of non permitted aircraft.
JV's are becoming operational mergers without SLI. Frankly, it is a problem because flying is being transferred to the lower cost entity.
Don't turn this in to a NWA debate to bolster your own ego. This is a problem we face together.
We exclude some airlines from the merger NWA got. My point is inclusion is right, exclusion is wrong.
If we acquire Hawaiian, we merge them, just as we did previous operators of non permitted aircraft.
JV's are becoming operational mergers without SLI. Frankly, it is a problem because flying is being transferred to the lower cost entity.
Don't turn this in to a NWA debate to bolster your own ego. This is a problem we face together.
You had to do things the way they were done because of ALPA language and NWA PWA language. Not yours.
Carl
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