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Old 08-11-2014 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
Looked in the PWA and didn't see an answer for this. If your training goes past the scheduled date do your "Shadow" days get pushed to the right or just evaporate? I'm guessing pushed to the right, but maybe someone can confirm. Thanks.
Shadow is for PBS bidding purposes only. Any trips awarded in the shadow period will be dropped (with pay) because you are not qualified to fly them. If your training/OE is delayed and conflicts with trips that fall after the shadow, they will be dropped and you will be paid for them - unless the OE operates over the same days, then you would get the greater of the 2 trips. The shadow is simply a best-guess from the company on how much of the month (for bidding purposes) you will be unavailable because you aren't yet qualified.

Here is a post from about a week ago on the topic:

Originally Posted by LeineLodge
Shadow is the amount of time the company is estimating you will be done with the sim, but not yet OE'd, therefore unqualified to actually fly a trip.

The general gouge is cram as many trips or RSV days into your shadow period as possible. Any trips awarded in your shadow period will be put on your line for construction purposes, and then immediately put back into the pot, to be awarded to someone junior to you (or left in open time.) In short, you will get paid to not fly these trips. If/when they call you for OE and it falls within your shadow period, then you will receive the greater of the trip you fly or the one they dropped.

Use something like:

AWARD Trips IF Depart on SEP 4 - SEP 14
Then do the rest of your bid...

Hopefully a good majority of your trips will be awarded during this period. Same strategy applies for RSV bidding.

The pay stacks on top if they don't get to you, and you end up doing your OE on days off after the shadow. I bid max credit in April and got a ~80 line. All of the trips touched the shadow and were dropped/paid (thanks FAR 117.)

Then I ended up doing OE near the end of the month on days off resulting in 110+ hours of pay for flying 2 3-day trips! It definitely pays to stack your days off after the shadow and then "volunteer" with the OE planner to do your OE AFTER the shadow.

This was when they were backed up on the 717 in the winter/early spring so YMMV. Happy Bidding.
Old 08-11-2014 | 04:54 PM
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Congrats, finis. It's also always a pleasure reading you on APC.
Old 08-11-2014 | 04:56 PM
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Can anyone tell me what the product is that ties into iCrew and provides a line-up card for each leg of a rotation (with frequencies, times, etc)? I think it is put out by FlightLine Services or EasyBid, but I can't find any info about it online.

Thanks in advance -
Old 08-11-2014 | 04:58 PM
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Congrats, finis. Even though you and I rarely agree, I remember you going out of your way to be nice to me several times here. I wish you all the best in retirement!
Old 08-11-2014 | 04:59 PM
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Finis - Congrats! Enjoy doing nothing.
Old 08-11-2014 | 05:02 PM
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finis72 congratulations!



Old 08-11-2014 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DogWhisperer
Not saying that I am selling these...but I do KNOW where t shirts with this may be located....if interested, let me know...DW


One version needs made w/ "settle down Capt Happy".
Old 08-11-2014 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly Faster
Can anyone tell me what the product is that ties into iCrew and provides a line-up card for each leg of a rotation (with frequencies, times, etc)? I think it is put out by FlightLine Services or EasyBid, but I can't find any info about it online.

Thanks in advance -
Pretty sure it's easy bid. I use easy swap and the hardest part is getting started. Their support leaves a little to be desired but it's a good, albeit out-dated, product. Try calling the number on the flightline website and have them walk you through it. It's not very intuitive the first time.
Old 08-11-2014 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
Finis - Congrats! Enjoy doing nothing.
Fwiw, why wait? I do nothing now and get to enjoy it now.
Old 08-11-2014 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Well yeahbut...

Remember how all the flight control computers shut down on 01/01/2000?

Oh...wait.
I went to HDG mode as the clock clicked over 00:00 UTC, just in case

... and fwiw, some of the Jepps databases didn't make the transition.
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