No, but you seem to think that running an ad in the paper will magically make them disappear. State our goals... yeah.. I get it. Then what?

And I also know that we do not operate in a vacuum. You really need to be over on the AAL/UAL/SWA boards telling them to get off their collective arses and up the bar. (Which NONE of them have done) That will be far more productive and beneficial to our cause than harping on dALPA to write another mission statement.

 

I judge the way my union works for me based on its achievement of my goals, not yours, and in my assessment of what I believe should a, would a, could a been possible under the circumstances at the time. That is the only realistic metric in my view. At the end of the day, we must each cast our votes for or against a TA or a rep on our own personal and informed assessment of those metrics.

I do not need to know whether my fellow pilots value this over that to make those judgments.

 

That is an excellent point. Unfortunately, those that look for fault with dALPA and the process need "verification" in order to "prove" that fault.

 

This right here is going to be the single largest issue that determines how much we get.


[QUOTE=tsquare;1659419]No, but you seem to think that running an ad in the paper will magically make them disappear. State our goals... yeah.. I get it. Then what?

And I also know that we do not operate in a vacuum. You really need to be over on the AAL/UAL/SWA boards telling them to get off their collective arses and up the bar. (Which NONE of them have done) That will be far more productive and beneficial to our cause than harping on dALPA to write another mission statement.[/QUOTE]

 

And I'm sure your union is very happy with that point of view. It allows for them to not be held accountable to a goal that is known to all involved, and the opaqueness allows for declared success even if you (and many others) were not satisfied with the end result. Without transparency an organization which fails to reveal what its membership states desirable can claim it met the goal of the group as a whole, but the membership only have trust to rely on without the ability to verify.

 

He treated it as a separate issue. But it's a simple one. If we allow Emirates to do what they want to do, there won't be any product.

 

3 weeks ago, BC from network said there would probably be a 17 base in LAX, no time frame...same day RA said he felt there probably would be a 17 base in SEA, even though BC said no. Who knows, as you said talk is cheap.

 

Alan, I think sharing the results helps individual voters decide if their desires or minimums are in line with the rest of the pilot group. Let's say I had a personal minimum raise set of 25% over the contract, the TA came back with 18%, and the survey results showed that most of the pilot group would have been happy with 15%. I would consider our group in the aggregate to be more realistic than my view alone, and would likely change my vote to yes. It would help me have faith that ALPA did everything possible in the negotiations and that they met the majority's goals.

Some might say, well then, your personal minimum was not 25%. I can live on what we make right now. However, I think the average of the Delta pilots' opinions would be a very good indicator of what we are actually worth, just as the market determines stock price. That number should be made public.

Respectfully submitted.

 

The acquisition does guarantee first access to supply. That doesn't necessarily help the bottom line, but security of supply has to be worth something. I think that was one of the driving forces for the acquisition.

 

I thought it was all about the spread of the crack?!

Not than some of us have never paid for that before!