Originally Posted by sailingfun

I posted one simple statement that this is the first time the company has mentioned a west coast 717 base. Nothing more or less. I personally have seen no talk about building up the west coast bases since the merger with the exception of the 767 base in SEA. I have seen discussion of increased flying but that does not go hand and hand with pilot basing. Prior company statements in fact indicated no new basing in the west.
SEA has however seen one of the largest percentage increases in pilot manning of any base since the merger so all is not bad.
In addition system wide the growth component in contract 2012 was projected to produce about 1100 new pilot jobs (excluding retirements and other attrition). It now appears we will handily beat that number!

Originally Posted by Alan Shore

I don't need survey results to cast my votes during memrat. With all due respect to my fellow pilots, my vote will be based on what is best for my family, not yours, and I expect nothing else from any other pilot. Given that, why do I need to kknow what anyone else put in his survey?

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Just a point on trainer. Management has promised it will turn a profit next quarter every quarter. So far their predictions have been wrong. The 10 cent per gallon fuel savings applies to all jet fuel in the NE. The production at trainer has pushed the price down for everyone. Sadly that gives us no competitive advantage as all airlines are enjoying that 10 cent reduction. We have however shouldered over half a billion in costs to cut the price for everyone and taken on a long term potentially very costly EPA liability.

Originally Posted by orvil

The acquisition does guarantee first access to supply. That doesn't necessarily help the bottom line, but security of supply has to be worth something. I think that was one of the driving forces for the acquisition.

Originally Posted by JungleBus

Just got back from my first trip of Mad Dog IOE, and boy, have you guys been pulling the wool over my eyes! For years I've been hearing "The Mad Dog is a worthless piece of crap" and "Rube Goldberg was a McDonnell Douglas engineer" and "Mad Dog don't care, she's so nasty." It only took me 4 days to realize that the Mad Dog is in fact a docile, reliable, well-behaved gentleman's airplane! I can only surmise that rumors to the contrary were started by junior guys trying keep senior bubbas off the airplane. In the interest of correcting the record and salvaging a much-maligned airplane's reputation, I present the following:

Mad Dog Rumors and Facts

Rumor: Mad Dog trips involve 7 legs a day followed by 10 hour overnights in Huntsville and Greenboro.
Fact: I flew between 1 & 3 legs a day, and had long layovers in DEN & DCA. Mad Dog trips are so cake I was able to eke 2 days use out of each shirt!

Rumor: The Mad Dog is uncomfortably hot in summer.
Fact: This rumor was clearly started by pasty MSP crews. The Mad Dog has a lovely tropical climate similar to some of my favorite spots in the world such as Thailand, Mexico, & the Caribbean.

Rumor: The Mad Dog is an unreliable maintenance queen.
Fact: In four days we had one MEL, and zero malfunctions. The check airman assured me this is very typical. I'm pretty sure his little smile was not sarcasm, just satisfaction at flying the best airplane Boeing ever made.

Rumor: The Mad Dog is busy in the right seat before takeoff.
Fact: With practice, a three-armed FO can knock out pushback items, engine start, after engine start, reading the WDR, setting thrust & speed bugs, taxi items, runway update & change items, delayed engine start, after delayed engine start, and before takeoff items and associated checklists in no more than 7-10 minutes of intense labor. It helps if you're crosseyed like me, you can keep one eye on what you're doing and one eye on where the CA is taxiing, throwing out "clear rights" & flipping lights on & off where appropriate.

Rumor: The Mad Dog is busy in the right seat after takeoff.
Fact: Heck, you don't even really use that third arm very often when airborne. When you're pilot flying, all you gotta do is fly the airplane...plus run ignition & anti-ice every time you go through a wisp of a cloud, do half the PM flows where the switches are on your side of the cockpit, and program the box. It's not like you're using your left hand for anything else, it has autothrottles for pete's sake - & they work great, +/- 20 kts!

Rumor: The Mad Dog's VNAV doesn't work well.
Fact: It works extremely well in keeping you from going up or down if you don't really want to. If you REALLY want to change altitudes, you gotta tell it with half a dozen key strokes, executes, & MCP button mashes. And once it's going, you just gotta let it run. I set up for the FRDMM2 arrival into DCA at FL310, set 6000 in the MCP, & then visited the lav, ate some lunch, took a nap, & when I woke up we were at 6000 feet on downwind for Runway 1! Again, the CA assured me this is perfectly typical.

Rumor: The Mad Dog's thrust reversers are impossible to deploy symmetrically.
Fact: This one is actually true, but I find that one engine at 1.1 EPR and the other at 1.9 slows you just as well as both of them at 1.6. Trust me, I tried this.

Rumor: The Mad Dog's brakes will embarrass you.
Fact: This is actually a matter of technique. The technique I like best is to really get on the brakes early, heat em up real good good, then yell "you got it!" at 60 knots and smirk as the CA shimmies, squeals, shudders, and chatters those puppies all the way to the gate. At that point you turn to him and say "I dunno skipper, they worked great for me!"



I've come to realize that the Mad Dog, much like the Honey Badger and the NYC crew base, is not "so nasty," it's just maligned and misunderstood. I've now seen the light, and am even starting to wonder why aren't all compasses mounted behind the pilots and read with a series of mirrors? It just makes sense. New hires considering bidding the Mad Dog, especially in NYC, should definitely do so. You'll thank me later.

Originally Posted by FlyZ

From the presentation: grow the airline at slightly less than the rate of GDP and keep our cost below the rate of inflation on a unit basis.

There's the company opener for C15: 3/3/3/3 or so. Think we will get to see the survey results?

Originally Posted by flyallnite

I'd encourage anyone to go to a PUB event if you want to hear MD talk about C2015. It's clear that he expects big returns but needs participation.

Originally Posted by Schwanker

I'm all for giving credit where credit is due, but claiming the 717s came on board due to C2012 is like Obama saying he inspired the troops to make that landing at Normandy.

Originally Posted by NERD

This right here [pattern bargaining] is going to be the single largest issue that determines how much we get.

Originally Posted by iceman49

3 weeks ago, BC from network said there would probably be a 17 base in LAX, no time frame...same day RA said he felt there probably would be a 17 base in SEA, even though BC said no. Who knows, as you said talk is cheap.