Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-01-2014, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
And if not enough leave?
Realistically, the senior Captains are getting plenty of vacation, fly good trips and can drop their trips if they want time off.
Why would they leave so they can buy their own insurance and take a 100% paycut?
Sure - I bet Delta will give them as an early out 6 months of pay or so, maybe $20K in medical. But like George in Seinfeld said, "if I stay, I get it all" - 12 months of pay a year and subsidized medical.
Realistically, the senior Captains are getting plenty of vacation, fly good trips and can drop their trips if they want time off.
Why would they leave so they can buy their own insurance and take a 100% paycut?
Sure - I bet Delta will give them as an early out 6 months of pay or so, maybe $20K in medical. But like George in Seinfeld said, "if I stay, I get it all" - 12 months of pay a year and subsidized medical.
08-01-2014, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ExAF
The 747 guys (A,s for sure maybe not B,s) have a full frozen retirement. They will not take a 100% paycut by any stretch of the imagination. I don't understand why any of them would continue to work as they near 65. I know I'd take an early out if I was in their shoes. However I'm not them and it is totally up to them.
I wouldn't want to do it if I was 63 years old. Some will, some won't.
Or they could go to school on the smaller Boeings but that would mean changing bases. I wouldn't want to go to any long course school that close to retirement. What a pain.
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08-01-2014, 08:45 AM
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Sailing,
The memo says specifically says the transatlantic JV will grow by 3%, not as much as originally planned. Nowhere does it say that Delta will grow by 3%. We are shifting aircraft from the Atlantic to the pacific. On the surface the imbalance looks to get worse. What then?
The memo says specifically says the transatlantic JV will grow by 3%, not as much as originally planned. Nowhere does it say that Delta will grow by 3%. We are shifting aircraft from the Atlantic to the pacific. On the surface the imbalance looks to get worse. What then?
08-01-2014, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
Sailing,
The memo says specifically says the transatlantic JV will grow by 3%, not as much as originally planned. Nowhere does it say that Delta will grow by 3%. We are shifting aircraft from the Atlantic to the pacific. On the surface the imbalance looks to get worse. What then?
The memo says specifically says the transatlantic JV will grow by 3%, not as much as originally planned. Nowhere does it say that Delta will grow by 3%. We are shifting aircraft from the Atlantic to the pacific. On the surface the imbalance looks to get worse. What then?
These are issues they had to know about months ago. The AE came out two weeks ago, and all of a sudden they are parking big aircraft.
To me, it seems more likely that the initial results of this AE indicated that they were going to have trouble staffing the new airplanes they have coming. Look at the awards. The bottom 737 captain is almost at 8900. That's closer in seniority to a new hire than he is to us in the middle of the list. (It would have gone more junior if they had awarded the 8 747 captain spots they had announced.)
How many 737-900's are left to be delivered? How many 717's are still on the way? Plus, how many 321's & 330's do we have coming?
From where I sit, it seems to me that the parking of the 747's is more of a result of a staffing problem than anything else.
It's the first thing they need to do to stop people from bidding off the 330.
Prediction: Next on the accelerated chopping block -- 757's.
08-01-2014, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The plan according to the two quoted letters is to increase not pull down the Atlantic flying.
Where is the letter/memo saying we will increase European flying by 3%?
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08-01-2014, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Where is the letter/memo saying we will increase European flying by 3%?
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But Hauenstein's memo says we are reducing capacity:
"In the next few months, reductions to capacity in the Atlantic will free up B777-200ERs and 767-300s, allowing us to deploy these aircraft to the Pacific. As a result of the availability of these smaller-gauged aircraft, we will retire four less-efficient B747-400 aircraft sooner than planned."
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08-01-2014, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Easily. I don't think there were but about 20 more age 65's happening in the remainder of this year, and that's off of all fleets. I just went to the DL Net to look at the category lists. As of Sept. 1 in the 747 category, there are 214 A's and 236 B's.
A 25% reduction means -53.5 A's and -59 B's; a loss of 112.5 top paying jobs.
I don't think an early retirement program is going to draw out 54 Capts. and 59 F/O's.
On DL Net you should read the 747 memo, as well as the Q+A's (link at bottom of story) about the sudden parking of 4 whales, and who's going to fly what/where.
Seems they are going to pull some 777's/A330's (Delta's jets) off the Atlantic routes and use them to cover the parked 747 flying in the Pacific. Guess who's going to pick up the Atlantic flying? Our JV partners. That's what they said...
So, how's that JV Compliance grievance coming?
A 25% reduction means -53.5 A's and -59 B's; a loss of 112.5 top paying jobs.
I don't think an early retirement program is going to draw out 54 Capts. and 59 F/O's.
On DL Net you should read the 747 memo, as well as the Q+A's (link at bottom of story) about the sudden parking of 4 whales, and who's going to fly what/where.
Seems they are going to pull some 777's/A330's (Delta's jets) off the Atlantic routes and use them to cover the parked 747 flying in the Pacific. Guess who's going to pick up the Atlantic flying? Our JV partners. That's what they said...
So, how's that JV Compliance grievance coming?
Constructive engagement baby!
Carl
08-01-2014, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
lulz......... welcome to the real world where you have zero control about what airplanes management buys, and how they use them...AND WHO FLIES THEM.
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08-01-2014, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
It's on the news page. But it doesn't say Delta will grow by 3%. It says the "combined JV trans-Atlantic network" will grow by 3%.
Denny
08-01-2014, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Again... lulz. Response. You guys are cracking me up with all this angst. And you're right... you still just don't get it.
Oooooooh Mr Kotter... I'm pizzed..... dALPA should complain. Respond....
Just like Demi Moore. I strenuously object.
Oooooooh Mr Kotter... I'm pizzed..... dALPA should complain. Respond....
Just like Demi Moore. I strenuously object.
Carl
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