Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-14-2014 | 10:23 AM
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As much as it pains me to say it, this doesn't prove the 717 base would come to NYC, so this gives me no particular comfort This was known well before Planning mused about having only one base left for the 717.
The silver lining may be that they can definitely do four bases with 88 airplanes. Just because they're saying they will only do three now, if the distribution of flying makes it worthwhile, they'll do it... in a New York minute.
The silver lining may be that they can definitely do four bases with 88 airplanes. Just because they're saying they will only do three now, if the distribution of flying makes it worthwhile, they'll do it... in a New York minute.
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08-14-2014 | 10:36 AM
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At least some of the B schedules are available via the back door!
08-14-2014 | 11:04 AM
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08-14-2014 | 11:10 AM
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Item 1. LOA 14-03; Short Call: The Company and the Association reached a tentative agreement this week on LOA 14-03. This LOA modifies the requirement for contact and acknowledgement of an assignment for the first two hours if placed on Short Call after a hard no-fly day to read:
Exception: A pilot who is converted to short call on his first on-call day following a non-fly day will not be required to be available for contact during the first two hours of his short call period as follows …
This agreement removes the restriction on a pilot to exercise this provision if a short call is placed on his schedule less than nine hours prior to the start of an on-call day. The net effect is that all pilots converted to short call on their first fly day, after a hard no-fly day, will be able to use this provision. Previously if a short call was placed on a pilot’s line after 1500 the day prior, he could not exercise this option. This is an improvement to your contract based on the feedback we received from you.
Am I reading this correctly to say that the union has negotiated back a small portion of a large QOL benefit that they gave away during FAR 117 negotiations? Prior to FAR 117 negotiations, the two hour option was available to a reserve on any short call day. I don't mean to sound snarky, but are we really calling this a win? If I'm misinterpreting somehow, my apologies.
Exception: A pilot who is converted to short call on his first on-call day following a non-fly day will not be required to be available for contact during the first two hours of his short call period as follows …
This agreement removes the restriction on a pilot to exercise this provision if a short call is placed on his schedule less than nine hours prior to the start of an on-call day. The net effect is that all pilots converted to short call on their first fly day, after a hard no-fly day, will be able to use this provision. Previously if a short call was placed on a pilot’s line after 1500 the day prior, he could not exercise this option. This is an improvement to your contract based on the feedback we received from you.
Am I reading this correctly to say that the union has negotiated back a small portion of a large QOL benefit that they gave away during FAR 117 negotiations? Prior to FAR 117 negotiations, the two hour option was available to a reserve on any short call day. I don't mean to sound snarky, but are we really calling this a win? If I'm misinterpreting somehow, my apologies.
08-14-2014 | 12:18 PM
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We have protections!
Really, we do. (that aren't seeming to work very well)
08-14-2014 | 12:21 PM
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Item 1. LOA 14-03; Short Call: The Company and the Association reached a tentative agreement this week on LOA 14-03. This LOA modifies the requirement for contact and acknowledgement of an assignment for the first two hours if placed on Short Call after a hard no-fly day to read:
Exception: A pilot who is converted to short call on his first on-call day following a non-fly day will not be required to be available for contact during the first two hours of his short call period as follows …
This agreement removes the restriction on a pilot to exercise this provision if a short call is placed on his schedule less than nine hours prior to the start of an on-call day. The net effect is that all pilots converted to short call on their first fly day, after a hard no-fly day, will be able to use this provision. Previously if a short call was placed on a pilot’s line after 1500 the day prior, he could not exercise this option. This is an improvement to your contract based on the feedback we received from you.
Am I reading this correctly to say that the union has negotiated back a small portion of a large QOL benefit that they gave away during FAR 117 negotiations? Prior to FAR 117 negotiations, the two hour option was available to a reserve on any short call day. I don't mean to sound snarky, but are we really calling this a win? If I'm misinterpreting somehow, my apologies.
Exception: A pilot who is converted to short call on his first on-call day following a non-fly day will not be required to be available for contact during the first two hours of his short call period as follows …
This agreement removes the restriction on a pilot to exercise this provision if a short call is placed on his schedule less than nine hours prior to the start of an on-call day. The net effect is that all pilots converted to short call on their first fly day, after a hard no-fly day, will be able to use this provision. Previously if a short call was placed on a pilot’s line after 1500 the day prior, he could not exercise this option. This is an improvement to your contract based on the feedback we received from you.
Am I reading this correctly to say that the union has negotiated back a small portion of a large QOL benefit that they gave away during FAR 117 negotiations? Prior to FAR 117 negotiations, the two hour option was available to a reserve on any short call day. I don't mean to sound snarky, but are we really calling this a win? If I'm misinterpreting somehow, my apologies.
Big win, no. Codified, yes. Big change, no.
08-14-2014 | 12:23 PM
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08-14-2014 | 12:31 PM
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Item 1. LOA 14-03; Short Call: The Company and the Association reached a tentative agreement this week on LOA 14-03. This LOA modifies the requirement for contact and acknowledgement of an assignment for the first two hours if placed on Short Call after a hard no-fly day to read:
Exception: A pilot who is converted to short call on his first on-call day following a non-fly day will not be required to be available for contact during the first two hours of his short call period as follows …
This agreement removes the restriction on a pilot to exercise this provision if a short call is placed on his schedule less than nine hours prior to the start of an on-call day. The net effect is that all pilots converted to short call on their first fly day, after a hard no-fly day, will be able to use this provision. Previously if a short call was placed on a pilot’s line after 1500 the day prior, he could not exercise this option. This is an improvement to your contract based on the feedback we received from you.
Am I reading this correctly to say that the union has negotiated back a small portion of a large QOL benefit that they gave away during FAR 117 negotiations? Prior to FAR 117 negotiations, the two hour option was available to a reserve on any short call day. I don't mean to sound snarky, but are we really calling this a win? If I'm misinterpreting somehow, my apologies.
Exception: A pilot who is converted to short call on his first on-call day following a non-fly day will not be required to be available for contact during the first two hours of his short call period as follows …
This agreement removes the restriction on a pilot to exercise this provision if a short call is placed on his schedule less than nine hours prior to the start of an on-call day. The net effect is that all pilots converted to short call on their first fly day, after a hard no-fly day, will be able to use this provision. Previously if a short call was placed on a pilot’s line after 1500 the day prior, he could not exercise this option. This is an improvement to your contract based on the feedback we received from you.
Am I reading this correctly to say that the union has negotiated back a small portion of a large QOL benefit that they gave away during FAR 117 negotiations? Prior to FAR 117 negotiations, the two hour option was available to a reserve on any short call day. I don't mean to sound snarky, but are we really calling this a win? If I'm misinterpreting somehow, my apologies.
Yes, you do have a miss understanding. In the old contract you could be put on short call with 10 hours notice. The new contract requires 12 hours notice so the 2 hours is built in.
New:
AA. Amend Section 23. S. 5. c. and d. and add Exception (new) to read: 16 17 c. Reserved. 18 d. can be converted to short call no earlier than 12 hours from the first attempted 19 contact by Crew Scheduling and will be released from duty during the 12 hours 20 immediately preceding the start of his short call period.
Old:
be converted to short call no earlier than ten hours from the first attempted 14 contact by Crew Scheduling and will be released from duty during the ten hours 15 immediately preceding the start of his short call period.
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08-14-2014 | 12:35 PM
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IMO, the 2 hr commute option never went away...in reality...if you had Gogo internet and were monitoring deltanet. The language went away, IMO due to an oversight. Now, the language is back, but ONLY for your first shortcall after your X day.
Big win, no. Codified, yes. Big change, no.
Big win, no. Codified, yes. Big change, no.
08-14-2014 | 01:11 PM
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So Cal B has the back door open. Uh oh - That doesn't sound right.
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