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Old 08-22-2014 | 01:56 PM
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MD Says in his message RFP widebodies for growth. At least some. Is this true?
Old 08-22-2014 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Yes, ALV sadly does not apply to swaps.
I have always heard on here that pickup limit does not apply to swap with the pot.

However, I did a liitle digging in the contract, and I don't think that this is still true. LOA#13 changed the contractual language in 23.H.5.h to now read: the swap will not cause a pilot to exceed, or further exceed his block hour limit.

Maybe the company is not complying with this, but I think that the language is now in the PWA, unless I am missing something.

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Old 08-22-2014 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mem9guy
I have always heard on here that pickup limit does not apply to swap with the pot.

However, I did a liitle digging in the contract, and I don't think that this is still true. LOA#13 changed the contractual language in 23.H.5.h to now read: the swap will not cause a pilot to exceed, or further exceed his block hour limit.

Maybe the company is not complying with this, but I think that the language is now in the PWA, unless I am missing something.
I could be wrong but I don't think block hour limit is the same thing as max pickup.
Old 08-22-2014 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mem9guy
I have always heard on here that pickup limit does not apply to swap with the pot.

However, I did a liitle digging in the contract, and I don't think that this is still true. LOA#13 changed the contractual language in 23.H.5.h to now read: the swap will not cause a pilot to exceed, or further exceed his block hour limit.

Maybe the company is not complying with this, but I think that the language is now in the PWA, unless I am missing something.
Look at your block hour limit, it's around 300 hours. No possible to break that at straight pick up.
Old 08-22-2014 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
I could be wrong but I don't think block hour limit is the same thing as max pickup.
You are correct 88 Driver. Quick Version. The only limit is the white slip pick up limit to ALV + 15. Swap with the pot does not apply, green slips don't apply, and the icrew swap board does not apply. Again it is a white slip pick up limit. The rest of those things are not white slips.
Old 08-22-2014 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mem9guy
I have always heard on here that pickup limit does not apply to swap with the pot.

However, I did a liitle digging in the contract, and I don't think that this is still true. LOA#13 changed the contractual language in 23.H.5.h to now read: the swap will not cause a pilot to exceed, or further exceed his block hour limit.

Maybe the company is not complying with this, but I think that the language is now in the PWA, unless I am missing something.
Block Hour Limit is the limit that keeps us from going over the FAR block hour limit on an annual basis. Basically we can't fly a ton Jan-Nov then get December off because of the FAR annual block hour limit. I used to do that at a regional and it worked great.....can't do that at Delta due to this limit.
Old 08-22-2014 | 02:11 PM
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I see in the latest update from ALPA-DAL that hiring will continue at 85 per month for the foreseeable future.
Old 08-22-2014 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Block Hour Limit is the limit that keeps us from going over the FAR block hour limit on an annual basis. Basically we can't fly a ton Jan-Nov then get December off because of the FAR annual block hour limit. I used to do that at a regional and it worked great.....can't do that at Delta due to this limit.
Ya, I figured that out digging through things. I had it confused with pick up limit. I guess my survey will have to include applying swaps to pick up limit as well...
Old 08-22-2014 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Hey, is working 15 days and getting 217 hrs any good?!?

Denny
Why would you want to work that many days?
Old 08-22-2014 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mem9guy
Ya, I figured that out digging through things. I had it confused with pick up limit. I guess my survey will have to include applying swaps to pick up limit as well...
The problem with that is say you have a really crappy 3 day and an easy as pie 4 day is in the pot. If swaps are subject to the limit then you can't swap that crappy trip for an easy one if you have a limit. I know some guys swap to higher time trips for more pay, but I like the fact the limit doesn't apply so I can swap a trip for reasons other than money. Having that limit apply to swaps will make it harder for you to improve your schedule by swapping trips.
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