Yes but that's because those guys were already qualified for the SSP. The EtD specifically requires a newhire to upgrade and be a CA at Endeavor two years. There are no upgrades at Endeavor, only a continuing cycle of downgrades and displacements to the LGA and JFK bases. Based on the current fleet plan of only 81 CR9s, unless something changes, there will be no upgrades as Endeavor still has to park all remaining 80-ish CR2s as required by the Delta PWA 50 seat cap. No newhire will upgrade and therefore will not qualify for meeting the requirement of a Delta class date. Most current downgrades are in the 2006 DOH area for some.

 

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What about if you are in one of these wake finding, runway challenged, replacement pigs? Not fun.

 

What if the flow had stayed intact?

 

Sometimes. I just ran into this issue this week. Scheduling gets the paperwork at 7pm now and they will release you when they get around to it. I was told they would call when they get to it and they said they were in IROPS and they would get to it by 10pm maybe. My report was 0730.

 

Maybe that scheduler is taking tips from the one two weeks ago who put a GS on my schedule and never called. When I called and told them I couldn't take it (after seeing it against my name under "Daily Trip Coverage") and asked why he didn't call his response was, "He didn't have time to call." And then he got gruff with me for having a GS request put in.

 

Just so you know if you answer your phone when they call for a green slip, the trip is yours. It is not a proffer. If you call them before they get around to calling you, they can probably force it on you unless you have a good reason. Be careful doing this. I am fairly confident, it would have been taken off your schedule eventually if you never called them. Be careful being proactive with green slips. You can put qualifiers in so they only call you on the ones you want.

 

Not entirely true. I've turned down 4 Greenslips this month. Two because I wouldn't have been rested & two because I couldn't get into position in time. I answer every time they call, listen to the sales pitch & decide if I want/can accept it. Have never had an issue with turning one down. 9/10'times they thank me for answering my phone & move onto the next person.

 

Looks like you've just gotten lucky.

Section 23 Q. 9. > "A pilot will be obligated to fly a GS or GSWC rotation if he is notified of and acknowledges the award."

I ran into this recently. I accidentally answered my phone and the scheduler wouldn't let me out of the GS. I basically begged him and he said he'd move on to the next pilots, but if he couldn't find anyone then I was obligated to fly it. It wasn't a time critical assignment... it was 14 hours out. Be careful answering the phone. In my case, he found another pilot and took the trip off my schedule.

Another thing I learned recently, they don't have to give you the 10 minutes to respond when they're in a time critical assignment. I recently got a call and let it go to voicemail. By the time I listened to the voicemail, logged in to the check the trip out, and called them back, they had already moved on to the next person.

All this talk about GS's is kinda pointless right now anyway. GS season is over. We have triple the amount of reserves required in NYC on the 320 B next month!

 

You must be lucky because 9/10 times that everyone else answers their phone and tells them they can't take the trip, you get the run around about putting in qualifiers so you don't come up for stuff you can't take. The only ones that they are nice about letting you out of are out of base GS's from my experience.

The reason why nobody answers their phones any more for GS's is because of them not letting you out of something you didn't know you were going to get. It's very hard to put in all the qualifiers to weed out all the stuff you may not want. A lot easier to let it go to voicemail then hop in I-crew and see what it is and if you really want to take the trip.

 

Yes, that's why I rarely answer the phone when I get a call. Also why I only list one phone number with them so they don't have to waste more time calling a second number.

This scheduler didn't call for several hours. I didn't want to get a call the next day when I didn't show up for the trip even though I would have been in the clear. Yes, you can put in qualifiers, but in some cases you're trying to cover numerous options. And I've also learned from experience you can't always delete the old request and put in a new request because the new one won't be effective right away depending on the time of day.