Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-19-2014, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Okay, I really don't know the answer to this question, but I sense another Carl-sized whopper in the works so I will take the shot. Please list all these cases that Lee Seham has won against ALPA. If you include the United SLI case, everyone should know that the arbitrators refused to even read his email and every other lawyer simply laughed at the submission. So other than this, lets list the cases and include what exactly he won.
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08-19-2014, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Okay, I really don't know the answer to this question, but I sense another Carl-sized whopper in the works so I will take the shot. Please list all these cases that Lee Seham has won against ALPA. If you include the United SLI case, everyone should know that the arbitrators refused to even read his email and every other lawyer simply laughed at the submission. So other than this, lets list the cases and include what exactly he won.
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08-19-2014, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
The part I have a problem with, is when he said our contracts are...
"Mature".
W. T. F??
To me, and most others, Mature means; done, finished, not going to grow much from there.
We are still making LESS than 2004 pay rates, 10 YEARS LATER!!
The companies are brining in BILLIONS, PER QUARTER!!
Management's stock options are worth MILLIONS, PER PERSON!
WE still have NO RETIRMENT PLAN (if you are in your 50's today and lost over $1 Million in DB money in 2004).
Where is DALPA talking about RESTORATION? Where is Lee talking about RESTORATION?
Is he at Ed's Birthday Party...again??
He tells this reporter:
"The airlines are making money, the contacts are mature, I LOVE IT!" ??
Really?
Note to Lee:
Pull your head out of Richard's ass and start to RESTORE our PAY and BENEFITS!!
"Mature".
W. T. F??
To me, and most others, Mature means; done, finished, not going to grow much from there.
We are still making LESS than 2004 pay rates, 10 YEARS LATER!!
The companies are brining in BILLIONS, PER QUARTER!!
Management's stock options are worth MILLIONS, PER PERSON!
WE still have NO RETIRMENT PLAN (if you are in your 50's today and lost over $1 Million in DB money in 2004).
Where is DALPA talking about RESTORATION? Where is Lee talking about RESTORATION?
Is he at Ed's Birthday Party...again??
He tells this reporter:
"The airlines are making money, the contacts are mature, I LOVE IT!" ??
Really?
Note to Lee:
Pull your head out of Richard's ass and start to RESTORE our PAY and BENEFITS!!
Carl
08-19-2014, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
On an iPhone so don't have the time now, but Lee got ALPA decertified at UsAirways per the direction of UsAirways pilots. ALPA fought it hard, and lost...to Lee Seham.
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08-19-2014, 06:03 AM
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Why do DALPA/management water bearers keep trying to compare our situation to that of US Air pilots? 
08-19-2014, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Why do DALPA/management water bearers keep trying to compare our situation to that of US Air pilots?
08-19-2014, 06:10 AM
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Fwiw I do agree with you. I'd love for our union to say what you've preached for years. It just gets old seeing people on here belittle one another. I still can't believe the immature writing I see from our fellow pilots written in the bathroom stalls in Atlanta. I thought I hired on at the big D with a bunch of professionals who were above that childish behavior. I guess when we can act like professionals we just might get paid like them again. Instead we fight amongst ourselves.
Dear Dalpa,
Please just says this. "The pilots at Delta have waited long enough. It's time to restore what was taken from us in bankruptcy. Delta is enormously profitable, in part due to the sacrifices we made. It's beyond time that we get a return on that investment. Our pledge to you, the Delta pilot, is to obtain a contract that returns our compensation, plus inflation, to its rightful place. A cadillac every month."
Hoser
(I'll take a Porsche every two months)
Ps. It's called a moose knuckle and that was from one big moose!!
Dear Dalpa,
Please just says this. "The pilots at Delta have waited long enough. It's time to restore what was taken from us in bankruptcy. Delta is enormously profitable, in part due to the sacrifices we made. It's beyond time that we get a return on that investment. Our pledge to you, the Delta pilot, is to obtain a contract that returns our compensation, plus inflation, to its rightful place. A cadillac every month."
Hoser
(I'll take a Porsche every two months)
Ps. It's called a moose knuckle and that was from one big moose!!
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Hoser,
I understand what you're saying. I just don't really agree with your conclusions about the discussion we've had on this topic. Those quotes, taken at face value, could have pretty serious ramifications for our next contract. We need to be setting expectations for significant restoration, not lowering expectations.
Whether it's our own pilots, management, the NMB, Wall Street, etc.... we need to be setting expectations that bankruptcy was NOT a reset and that we will not ultimately accept a dramatically lower value for compensation for this profession. Without some serious rationalization, Moak's quotes clearly lower expectations. As far as I'm concerned, it's a pretty serious issue. And like I said before... the thing that makes it even more serious in my mind is that my reps actually AGREE with those quotes and see nothing wrong with them.
I understand why you'd like everything to be happy, happy with conversations about rumors, college football, hangar talk, maybe a risque picture or two, etc. I'd like that too. But this IS the "Airline Pilot Central" forum... and I think conversations about trying to dig out of this gigantic hole in which we find ourselves today are relevant, don't you?
I understand what you're saying. I just don't really agree with your conclusions about the discussion we've had on this topic. Those quotes, taken at face value, could have pretty serious ramifications for our next contract. We need to be setting expectations for significant restoration, not lowering expectations.
Whether it's our own pilots, management, the NMB, Wall Street, etc.... we need to be setting expectations that bankruptcy was NOT a reset and that we will not ultimately accept a dramatically lower value for compensation for this profession. Without some serious rationalization, Moak's quotes clearly lower expectations. As far as I'm concerned, it's a pretty serious issue. And like I said before... the thing that makes it even more serious in my mind is that my reps actually AGREE with those quotes and see nothing wrong with them.
I understand why you'd like everything to be happy, happy with conversations about rumors, college football, hangar talk, maybe a risque picture or two, etc. I'd like that too. But this IS the "Airline Pilot Central" forum... and I think conversations about trying to dig out of this gigantic hole in which we find ourselves today are relevant, don't you?
08-19-2014, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Okay, I really don't know the answer to this question, but I sense another Carl-sized whopper in the works so I will take the shot. Please list all these cases that Lee Seham has won against ALPA. If you include the United SLI case, everyone should know that the arbitrators refused to even read his email and every other lawyer simply laughed at the submission. So other than this, lets list the cases and include what exactly he won.
Thanks,
Carl
08-19-2014, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
Fwiw I do agree with you. I'd love for our union to say what you've preached for years. It just gets old seeing people on here belittle one another. I still can't believe the immature writing I see from our fellow pilots written in the bathroom stalls in Atlanta. I thought I hired on at the big D with a bunch of professionals who were above that childish behavior. I guess when we can act like professionals we just might get paid like them again. Instead we fight amongst ourselves.
Dear Dalpa,
Please just says this. "The pilots at Delta have waited long enough. It's time to restore what was taken from us in bankruptcy. Delta is enormously profitable, in part due to the sacrifices we made. It's beyond time that we get a return on that investment. Our pledge to you, the Delta pilot, is to obtain a contract that returns our compensation, plus inflation, to its rightful place. A cadillac every month."
Hoser
(I'll take a Porsche every two months)
Ps. It's called a moose knuckle and that was from one big moose!!
Dear Dalpa,
Please just says this. "The pilots at Delta have waited long enough. It's time to restore what was taken from us in bankruptcy. Delta is enormously profitable, in part due to the sacrifices we made. It's beyond time that we get a return on that investment. Our pledge to you, the Delta pilot, is to obtain a contract that returns our compensation, plus inflation, to its rightful place. A cadillac every month."
Hoser
(I'll take a Porsche every two months)
Ps. It's called a moose knuckle and that was from one big moose!!
Mathematically, if we did it with just pay rate increases, we're talking approximately a 50% increase from our current rates. I'm certainly open to finding other ways... maybe a combination of pay rate increases, work rules, possibly changing the WAY we get paid (i.e. get paid at sign in and then continuously throughout the duty day, like every other hourly worker on the face of the earth). But bottom line for me is that the W2 needs to increase by about 50% without having to work a bunch extra to do it. I don't think that would be to the level of "a Cadillac a month" but it would put us back to a very nice standard of living that was well established post deregulation for over 20 years.
08-19-2014, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Now that I've answered your question Alfa, answer this one: What "whopper" have I ever told here? Even one?
Thanks,
Carl
Thanks,
Carl
Sorry, Carl... couldn't resist that one!
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