But how did management achieve this within our "union" DAL88? Was it because management's talk is so persuasive? Or was it another reason that both sides are so protective of each other?

Carl

 

Over and over? Why don't you refresh our memories?

Oh, and I like how you avoided the fact that he brought the B Scale to American. I only mentioned the pilot groups that have fired him. There's more employee groups that he's been fired by as well. Go Seham!!

 

Lower, but what does the DPA have to do with this? I never mentioned DPA and I am pretty sure Lee didn't either.

So if a ALPA guy makes a mistake, which in my opinion Lee did here you respond by injecting the DPA into the discussion?

Are you confusing me with another poster?

Scoop

 

3bil, you haven't shared your thoughts on Moak's catastrophic interview. Where do you stand on it, and what should he do to correct it?

 

Where has it been established that it was a 45 minute interview? I'm not saying it wasn't, but I haven't seen any official statement indicating it was. I certainly could have missed it... so just asking.

And a couple of things that don't add up for me.

First, at least one poster here had a conversation over the phone with Moak about this. Moak apparently claims he was misquoted. If you were misquoted and were concerned about the ramifications of those misquotes, wouldn't you put out a statement ASAP setting the record straight with what you actually said and meant?

And if you did actually say those things but were taken out of context and it was twisted to present a different meaning, wouldn't you still put out a statement ASAP setting the record straight? Also, shouldn't someone in Moak's position and with his prominence be a little more careful to state things in a way that cannot be misinterpreted?

And why do my reps defend what Moak allegedly said to that reporter? My reps (your reps too) saw nothing wrong with those quotes. I exchanged numerous emails with them and I don't recall a single mention of the quotes being illegitimate... just a lot of time spent defending them.

Seems to me like somebody needs to get their story straight. When combined with other things Moak has said and done in the past, those quotes seem very consistent.

So, yeah, if there is a full transcript of the entire interview, it would be really helpful to see that.

In the meantime... if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... there's a pretty good chance it's a duck!

 

I hear what you're saying. The problem is, the whole interview isn't in the article, it isn't published. It's now Bloomberg's proprietary material, and it might as well not even exist. I don't even know if Moak could get the recording if he asked for it. If he can, he should, I agree--and put the raw interview on the ALPA portal. Let's hear it. Let's see or hear something--anything!--that attempts to explain what happened. So far...crickets chirping.

For now, what we're saddled with is that the next time an ALPA pilot group approaches the NMB for relief, management will print off a copy of that article and slap it down on Lisa's desk. Lee said it better than management could.

 

Thanks for the response guys. I think I read the 45 minute interview thingy from the "other" forum. I don't remember. My big problem with the last few pages of this forum is the over the top reaction. Someone saw smoke and everyone yelled fire!!!! No one bothered to see the smoke was caused by T's BBQ while tailgating... I wish we had more level headed responses and a more civilized debate.

Dal88, it's so hard to not respond on here with real names. Lol. (-:
I also read on one of our forums....maybe it was our Facebook group, that a response from Moak was coming. The poster who spoke with Moak said that.

 

Okay, I really don't know the answer to this question, but I sense another Carl-sized whopper in the works so I will take the shot. Please list all these cases that Lee Seham has won against ALPA. If you include the United SLI case, everyone should know that the arbitrators refused to even read his email and every other lawyer simply laughed at the submission. So other than this, lets list the cases and include what exactly he won.

 

The part I have a problem with, is when he said our contracts are...

"Mature".

W. T. F??

To me, and most others, Mature means; done, finished, not going to grow much from there.

We are still making LESS than 2004 pay rates, 10 YEARS LATER!!

The companies are brining in BILLIONS, PER QUARTER!!

Management's stock options are worth MILLIONS, PER PERSON!

WE still have NO RETIRMENT PLAN (if you are in your 50's today and lost over $1 Million in DB money in 2004).

Where is DALPA talking about RESTORATION? Where is Lee talking about RESTORATION?

Is he at Ed's Birthday Party...again??

He tells this reporter:

"The airlines are making money, the contacts are mature, I LOVE IT!" ??

Really?

Note to Lee:

Pull your head out of Richard's ass and start to RESTORE our PAY and BENEFITS!!

 

Well, if you remember, when this was going on I was dealing with a serious family issue and therefore I know very little about it and care even less. I saw the data dump from their DNS tables and was asked for my opinion and I gave it to the person who asked.

I read the transcripts and filings as they become available but I have no idea of Mr. Private Writings and I really don't even know what "Mr. Private Writings" means. I assume you mean the pilot who allegedly hacked the website. I don't want to know ever who this is because I don't want to have anything to do with this sham case.

All I know is that if DPA had a shred of evidence that this person was directed by ALPA in any fashion to do this alleged "hacking" (which I don't believe occurred and I believe that DPA f-ed up their DNS entries and then tried to cover their incompetence) they would have sued ALPA because ALPA has more money than a single pilot does. Therefore, all your insinuations are pure BS because there is no evidence that ALPA was involved in any way. I only know that because DPA is not suing them.

But, hey, let's all jump on the crazy train and assume that DPA is correct. Let's say some Delta pilot hacked their website and posted nasty notes for a couple of days. How is my supposed future union going to act? Are they going to take his house away from him? Get him fired? Please let me know what our new "union", supposedly dedicated to Delta pilots, is going to do to him. Everyone involved in DPA should ask themselves some hard questions. What if in the future you decided you don't like DPA? Are they going to sue you and take your house because you criticized them or mocked them? Seriously, a union is supposed to protect pilots not drag them through the courts. This is simply disgusting behavior.

I will say it again. Every single time DPA puts out some missive about this case, it includes a "SERIOUS and URGENT" call for more funds. Coincidence? Let's all read the transcripts when they come out and find out exactly how badly DPA got spanked in court the other day. They "won" nothing. They were forced to conceal the identity of the pilot that ALPA knew about (and I don't) because ALPA tries to protect pilots and DPA tries to persecute them. It's pretty simple. Why should any pilot be stupid enough to give money to attack a fellow Delta pilot in court? Who are they going to go after next? Explain that please.